The "Manifest V3" rollout is back after letting tensions cool for a year.
    • Bogasse@lemmy.mlEnglish
      8·
      1 year ago

      Well at this period of time one of the interns will have removed Firefox’s user agent from the whitelist most Google services by mistake again.

      If so, I just hope antitrust lawsuits will be fast enough so that it doesn’t build up a bad reputation for Firefox …

    • Destraight@lemm.eeEnglish
      18·
      1 year ago

      Cool, you gonna help me swap over the more than 100 online accounts from various website that I set up with using my Google email account to a different email account? Because if I am switching to firefox I will also be getting rid of my google email account.

      • stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pubEnglish
        6·
        1 year ago

        I’m confused are you mad at Firefox because you put all your eggs into one basket?

        Single point of failure too… if someone for whatever magic reason got access to your account you’d be capital Fucked

  • MyDogLovesMe@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    30·
    1 year ago

    I’d be very curious how they are going to try and fuck over Firefox, or similar browsers.

    It’s not “just business “, it’s personal. It’s all personal, Mike. You know who I learned that from? Your Father, the Godfather.

    • PurpleTentacle@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      1 year ago

      Google’s proposed “Web Integrity API” browser-DRM was probably the biggest attack on the open web since its conception. I don’t think they have fully given up on that idea and they’ll likely sneak it in more gradually and slowly. Manifest v3 is just a small baby step in this direction of taking away user control.

    • Dicska@lemmy.worldEnglish
      101·
      1 year ago

      The various websites will just say Firefox is “not supported”. I just wrote this in another comment, but Twitch doesn’t let you log in on FF because it has some kind of advanced tracking protection. I guess YouTube and the rest will just join the fuckery and block you from using their content if you’re on FF. I mean, I really hope they won’t do that, but knowing what degree of assholery these companies can pull off, I think it’s the next step.

      • Im14abeer@midwest.socialEnglish
        9·
        1 year ago

        Presumably the FTC will have something to say about blatant anticompetitive actions such at these. Then again, that’s why corporations buy themselves representatives, senators and judges.

        Edit: such not suck

      • ka-chow@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        I used to have that issue with Twitch and FF, the fix was to create a new Firefox profile :)

  • ARk@lemm.eeEnglish
    16·
    1 year ago

    Congratulations, you are being tailored a “personal experience”! Please do not resist.

  • agent_flounder@lemmy.worldEnglish
    141·
    1 year ago

    Not surprising since Google is an ad company. I

    Meanwhile I have been using Firefox on my various computers for a few years now.

    • SkyNTP@lemmy.mlEnglish
      52·
      1 year ago

      I know you are being sarcastic, but it’s not sarcasm at all, and therefore no laughing matter, when more and more websites drop support for none-chromium browsers, or actively block them. Netizens tend to have some missguided belief that every problem can be solved with software alone. This is a trap.

    • OfficerBribe@lemm.eeEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      This impacts all Chromium based browsers. Unless support is maintained separately by browser vendor, only other option is Firefox or any of its forks.

      This is kind of a time for Mozilla to shine, but I worry they will mess up and maybe even follow later.

  • Mandy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    7·
    1 year ago

    I wonder if there ever will be a point where the mayor populous actually goes “screw this” and starts finding out how to change their browser via “how to change internet” or “how to change google”

    will there ever be a point where this even happens i wonder, like at all

  • FishFace@lemmy.worldEnglish
    82·
    1 year ago

    Firefox’s decision to move to WebExtensions is starting to look even more questionable, IMO.

      • FishFace@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        It was originally questionable because it completely hobbled extensions, and now Chrome is seeking to hobble the standard even more

    • enkers@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      4·
      1 year ago

      Yeah, perhaps not their greatest move ever. I miss how customizable Firefox used to be. For a long time I used Waterfox Classic to postpone the switch, but it got harder and harder. Now you have to use stuff like paxmod to get back some of the old features.

      I don’t know the internal technical issues too well, though, and they have made a lot of headway in the speed department since switching. I do recall discussion around when they dropped them about being held back by the addon architecture.

      • pajn@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        43·
        1 year ago

        It definitely was their gratest move ever. So many improvements was blocked by supporting the old extensions. Firefox would be completely useless and dead by now if they was still supporting them. Their loss in market share to chrome is largely due to not killing them 5 years earlier.

        • enkers@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          OK, but even if I accept that there was a technical necessity, the new architecture needlessly blocked ui modification to offer a less flexible experience. They could have provided a solution that worked better for their most loyal users and long time advocates. Instead they caused the outflux of these highly technical users, many of whom instead championed chrome, and more or less got us into this mess in the first place.

          • Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyiEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            A lot of the Firefox users you mention have probably moved to Vivaldi, given that it has implemented features that Firefox had via extensions before they went all in on WebExtensions.

    • snownyte@kbin.social
      1·
      1 year ago

      Yeah and it’ll be very interesting as to what the Firefox fanboys will think then when that continues gaining traction.

      I’ll go back to what I said - all browsers are generally shit in one way or another. And they influence one and another. Very few browsers keep up the fight but browser hopping will be entirely meaningless when these people are out to redesign the web in their visage.

      • FishFace@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        You can consider me a Firefox fanboy if you like - I certainly prefer it to the alternatives. Firefox made a bad decision to follow Chrome, and then Chrome made it event worse, so I don’t think the fanboys will be moved from their support when the alternatives are worse.

  • Species8472@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    61·
    1 year ago

    On mobile I’m using DDG as primary browser. Firefox as secondary.

    On my personal machine it’s Firefox and Chromium.

    For my job I use Thorium as main (switched coming from Brave), Chrome, Firefox and Edge.

    Could do without Chrome any day.

    • PurpleTentacle@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      1 year ago

      On mobile I’m using DDG as primary browser.

      Don’t get me wrong, DDG’s app is a massive step up in privacy, but it’s hardly a browser, it’s simply a WebView frontend. You’re pretty much still using Chrome.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldBEnglish
    4·
    1 year ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    A year later, Google is restarting the phase-out schedule, and while it has changed some things, Chrome will eventually be home to inferior filtering extensions.

    Google’s blog post says the plan to kill Manifest V2, the current format for Chrome extensions, is back on starting June 2024.

    The company says: "We expect it will take at least a month to observe and stabilize the changes in pre-stable before expanding the rollout to stable channel Chrome, where it will also gradually roll out over time.

    On the high end now for me, Slack is drinking 500MB, while a single Google Chat tab, created by this company that is so concerned about performance, is at 1.5GB of memory usage.

    Google is adding a completely arbitrary limit on how many “rules” content filtering add-ons can include, which are needed to keep up with the nearly infinite ad-serving sites that are out there (by the way, Ars Technica subscriptions give you an ad-free reading experience and make a great holiday gift!).

    Mozilla’s blog post on the subject promises “Firefox’s implementation of Manifest V3 ensures users can access the most effective privacy tools available like uBlock Origin and other content-blocking and privacy-preserving extensions.”

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