Firefox is great, so sounds like a win to me. :)

current firefox silos cookies to the website now. other sites can’t look at your cookies now and it’s automatic

I’ve never encountered them being buggy, but I have encountered them being confusing and frustrating, like if a site wants to use Facebook to log you in, but you have Facebook running in a separate container, so it doesn’t work no matter how many times you sign in to Facebook. It’s easy to have happen in you forget you’re using containers.

been using it for years without issue. What you experienced is a fluke

Firefox Profiles work like Chrome profiles, although the UX is a little cliunky without an addon like Profile Switcher.

You have Firefox profiles too though.

But they are not as integrated as Chromes and requires a restart of the browser I think.

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Well we will see. There will be a lot of demand for websites that doesn’t go along with this shit. So maybe we get a web where individuals again are contributing on their own sites while big tech goes the DRM way.

The same people who today run Lemmy instances are the kind of people that are also interested in seeing that kind of a web, and can help build it. We don’t do it for money.

You see it to some extent on regular sites when browsing on mobile. Like if you go to Crunchyroll on safari or brave on iOS and try to stream a video it refuses to and tells you to download the Crunchyroll app. It is capable of streaming it though, since I can do so in Safari on Android.

So imagine that but more ubiquitous which locking out specific devices or refusing to let you login in a bank account by saying please download chrome or edge to access due to requiring DRM.

Dude, “os chrome” refers to the window, as in the frame around the webpage.

So yes, it’s like a browser tab with a hidden url bar. Amazing.

Ferdium is based on electron. But it actually uses it to render websites. It’s slick and handy. When talking about profiles, I mean in Firefox, which will grand you all the protections you need. If you need to add addons or change settings, with the user.js config, you will need to type about:setthings or about:addons rathet then cluck on a few buttons, but if all you use it for is just a few sites working in a single window, it’s fine.

Well yeah, that’s how search engines make money. They aren’t magic

But every browser on iOS is just a wrapper around safari… So you’re still just using safari plus another app

Sounds pretty cool! Why is this done at browser level and not at window manager level?

It really isn’t though. I also started using Firefox recently and I miss tab groups on mobile as well as on my PC. Yes, there is the simple tab groups add-on, but it just doesn’t compare.
Brave is also easier to set up ad-blocking, because it comes with ad-block enabled and script-blocking two clicks away.

Don’t get me wrong, I will continue to use FF, but Brave has some features, FF does not have (yet).

I don’t know how people navigate the internet without adblock on mobile. Each website is a nightmare with the majority of the screen being ads.

This is correct - any “Chromium-based” browser is literally a fork unless it’s completely unchanged from upstream (even rebranding and changing the logo and name would require maintaining a fork).

Sure. And the further a fork diverges from upstream the more difficult maintenance becomes. My point is that relying on the open source model to fork projects making hostile changes only works so long as the community is actually able to maintain the fork(s), and so long as those forks actually have a reasonable chance of being adopted. It’s equally important, if not even more important, to try to ensure these large projects steer in consumer friendly directions than to react and fork to try to remove anti-consumer features.

Google has enough market and mind share that they can push this and it’s a real risk of becoming an anti-consumer standard regardless of any attempts to maintain a fork.

So what do I think we, as a body of users of the Internet, should do? Simple. Stop using Google Chrome and any other Chromium based browsers. Google has the ability to push these changes and make them defacto standards (and later, codified standards) because we collectively give them the power to by using Chromium downstreams.

That may be true, but it’s a fork where I doubt any company has the capability to do the engine development needed to be totally independent from Google. There is a reason Apple and Mozilla are the only two alternative engines left. It costs a lot to develop a browser

sure mate, just tell me the result of the following without trying it out.

0 && 1 && false

also your drug criminalization is an entire load of false equivalence bollocks, drug criminalization is a far more complex issue than Gay Marriage, or rather whether we should treat people equally. There are very valid arguments for certain drugs to be criminalized that are way too easy to abuse and kill people with, like fentanyl and I say that as someone that’s a supporter of full drug decriminalization.

Sorry english is not my first language, so that wasn’t clear. By drugs, I meant cannabis here, well I don’t know the details in the US but “soft drugs” that’s being de-criminalized there. Not other kinds of drugs. Though that was just an example to make people realize that expressing unpopular opinions, as long as they’re not illegal, should not lead to firing people and insulting them for life.

Also, you’re the one exposing false equivalences with your godwin point. Being against marriage of homosexual people is not at all akin to mass murder. And the action of calling for the eradication of any people is (rightly to me) illegal in any case.

There is no version of treating LGBT+ as just somewhat less equal that’s morally defensible.

Never defended the guy’s opinions, I just find comments here a little bit (euphemism) extreme.

I get it, but not giving them any kind of an out means they will be permanent enemies even if they do change their mind about wanting a Trump coup. But on the other hand, it’s hard to tell if someone really changes or just realizes they should pretend they’ve changed to make their life easier and bide their time for the right time to come back out.

I just know that I have some views now that are polar opposites of what I believed when I was younger.

He was ousted in part because Mozilla is supposed to be and open and inclusive place to work,

So by “open and inclusive” that means “everyone has to have the personal opinions, even when they don’t bring any of those opinions to the company?”

To clarify, I think gay people should be allowed to marry. I don’t agree with the supposed position Brendan Eich has. I say “supposed” because you haven’t provided any proof that this is his position.

Here’s 2 great questions you should answer:

1. Should Muslims be allowed to work at Mozilla?

Islam is very anti-gay, and if you’ve met any Muslim immigrants, I have, they don’t think the gays should marry either. Among, uh, other things. Depending on age and where they’re from.

2. Should you be penalized/reprimanded/fired by your employer for having opinions they don’t agree with?

Let’s say this: you work for a Pakistani Muslim and in a workplace that’s predominantly Middle Eastern and North African. He doesn’t believe in gay marriage, you do. You donate like $50 to some LGBTQIA+ organization. Should your boss fire you?

Or let’s be less controversial: you want to legalize all drugs and donate to a candidate who thinks the same. Your employer had a family member who died of a heroin overdose, and they’re pretty anti-drug. Should they fire you?

Or lastly: you’re a Republican. Your boss is a registered Democrat. Neither of you talk politics at work and you get along well and you do your job. Should they fire you?

hard to do that when your boss doesn’t believe you should be allowed to marry.

Was Brendan Rich going out of his way to tell any gay people at Mozilla he thinks they shouldn’t marry? Was he bullying gay subordinates? If he was, yea, he should absolutely be fired. If not, it doesn’t make sense to me for an employer to fire you for personal opinions you hold that don’t effect your day-to-day job.

Jobs fire people ALL THE TIME over personally held beliefs or things they say/do outside of work

I thankfully (at least in my opinion) live in a country where this is illegal and it does seem well-enforced (I live in France). I understand this can and does happen in the US, but I still find it shocking enough for me to comment on it. The firing of Brendan Eich had a pretty big backlash so I’m not the only one.

Furthermore he proved his lack of morals and character by starting a crypto browser. This guy isn’t worth defending.

I do not use brave either because I’m not comfortable with the philosophy and whole crypto thing, but using that as a proof to “the lack of morals and character” of Brendan Eich is a big shortcut to take IMO. Ironically that quoted parts also sounds like something I normally would more likely hear from someone at the opposite side of the political spectrum - from what I guessed is your political affiliation - but I digress and my guess may be completely wrong (in any case, I don’t care much, I just thought it may help me to make you get my point).

Then to make things clear, I’m not against boycotting companies due to the personal actions of someone you vehemently disagree with, I’m against the idea of insulting publicly both him and the projects he’s affiliated with every time his name comes up. This is the very annoying and toxic part.

Furthermore he proved his lack of morals and character by starting a crypto browser. This guy isn’t worth defending.

I wish you had that level of moral integrity when it comes to working with companies that are banked by institutions that ravage and pillage the working class.

The FE can, and probably, still uses node

Anyway I agree with the sentiment, I use Firefox myself (actually at work I test just against Firefox lol)