That’s fun fairy time, but it isn’t reality. You need to research how game theory, and the availability (or lack) of true choice works.
You are literally at the precipice of “do I like the giant douche, or the turd sandwich”. You cannot have anything else.
Edit in some cases (location dependant) chosing a third means you implicitly choose the distant other
I.e. if the third is closer to Biden than trump (even if very different, it’s all about proximity), then you helped trump.
Another flavor: if your district is highly contested, and a trump win is close, a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote FOR trump. You are feeding the uncertainty of contest.
if game theory dictated human behavior, and if you are right about the options and outcomes, then no one would vote third party. so either you’re wrong about the options and outcomes, or game theory doesn’t dictate human behavior
In many countries, third parties are very viable. In this particular election, in the US, they are not.
Game theory happens to humans weather they acknowledge it or not. What you are experiencing is the illusion of choice in an outcome constrained system.
Agree. You WILL see Biden or trump as the next president. Depending on where you live, your may have helped that along. You may not like what your helped.
I am not wrong. You are in a constrained system. You have no extra choices. Believe what you like, live with what you do.
Edit you’ve not once suggested a meaningful rebuttal. You’re position is without merit.
if all you can see is the winner of the presidency in 2024, you have a miopic view. there are many possible outcomes and many possible futures, and who wins the election in november is inconsequential to almost all of it.
Are you discussing post election? I’ve commented on this in this thread. Leftists and progressives have work to do, today, and beyond the election to build a viable candidate.
You are moving the goalposts by discussing the ever after, because nothing I’ve said to you means anything beyond the next vote. All m discussing is the next vote. Pretty shitty behavior to try to shift things like that.
All m discussing is the next vote. Pretty shitty behavior to try to shift things like that.
i think it’s shitty to try to browbeat people into voting for immoral candidates. or to narrow the scope of the discussion to only one facet and ignore all the other outcomes and impacts.
I’m educating you on how reality works. You’re effectively asking if you can invent a perpetual motion service, and I’m reciting the basic laws of thermodynamics
That’s fun fairy time, but it isn’t reality. You need to research how game theory, and the availability (or lack) of true choice works.
You are literally at the precipice of “do I like the giant douche, or the turd sandwich”. You cannot have anything else.
Edit in some cases (location dependant) chosing a third means you implicitly choose the distant other
I.e. if the third is closer to Biden than trump (even if very different, it’s all about proximity), then you helped trump.
Another flavor: if your district is highly contested, and a trump win is close, a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote FOR trump. You are feeding the uncertainty of contest.
game theory does not actually describe how people do or should act. it is an academic exercise that you should leave to the academy
My dude you are living it. This is the most present and surface example of game theory existing out of academia
if game theory dictated human behavior, and if you are right about the options and outcomes, then no one would vote third party. so either you’re wrong about the options and outcomes, or game theory doesn’t dictate human behavior
In many countries, third parties are very viable. In this particular election, in the US, they are not.
Game theory happens to humans weather they acknowledge it or not. What you are experiencing is the illusion of choice in an outcome constrained system.
there is no point in bickering about this. go read the wikipedia article and argue with the editors there.
Agree. You WILL see Biden or trump as the next president. Depending on where you live, your may have helped that along. You may not like what your helped.
I am not wrong. You are in a constrained system. You have no extra choices. Believe what you like, live with what you do.
Edit you’ve not once suggested a meaningful rebuttal. You’re position is without merit.
no, i’m not. it’s fundamentally dishonest to tell someone they are.
You ARE! Biden or trump will be your next president, and your votes can only :
Help Biden Help trump Hurt Biden Hurt trump.
That’s it.
saying this doesn’t make it true
Attempt anything at all, all you’ve done so far is whine
i will not be helping either of them.
Again, you don’t understand being choice limited. Depending on where you live, doing nothing will help trump.
That’s fine, just be aware of your actions. That’s the game theory. Even not voting is a choice.
this is election misinformation. only a vote for trump is a vote for trump
You’ll need to defend that. It’s not supported empirically or theoretically.
That is the shortest vision you could possibly have. True crabs in a bucket brain.
you’re spreading election misinformation. a vote for cornel west cannot be counted as a vote for trump.
i will not do something immoral like vote for biden or trump.
I’m ready to keep helping you with this:
Whatever you do, you are influencing the success of Biden or trump. There is nothing else.
if all you can see is the winner of the presidency in 2024, you have a miopic view. there are many possible outcomes and many possible futures, and who wins the election in november is inconsequential to almost all of it.
Are you discussing post election? I’ve commented on this in this thread. Leftists and progressives have work to do, today, and beyond the election to build a viable candidate.
You are moving the goalposts by discussing the ever after, because nothing I’ve said to you means anything beyond the next vote. All m discussing is the next vote. Pretty shitty behavior to try to shift things like that.
i think it’s shitty to try to browbeat people into voting for immoral candidates. or to narrow the scope of the discussion to only one facet and ignore all the other outcomes and impacts.
I’m educating you on how reality works. You’re effectively asking if you can invent a perpetual motion service, and I’m reciting the basic laws of thermodynamics
this is condescending as fuck
Well you’re trolling at this point, asking me how magnets work and where the sun goes at night.
no, i’m not.
you’re poorly repeating something you never really learned
And you’re failing to overcome it. Nice!
wrong. only a vote for trump helps trump
Literally uneducated response.
I described the situation earlier with you.
If your third party vote is closer to Biden than trump, you just spoiled Biden, thus aiding trump.
This is so simple
you’re literally lying about how votes are counted
I’ve made quite clear that location matters. I’ve been consistent on that.
it’s simple to lie
Prove me wrong, shame me. Display any example of a constrained 2 outcome system where non participation results in non 4 variant outcome.
Help Biden hurt Biden Help trump hurt trump.
society is not a constrained 2 outcome system. your entire premise is wrong.
You are part of society you silly goose
repeating this is starting to feel like i’m being trolled