“Oh yeah? You don’t like genocide? Well you don’t get your cap and gown ceremony. So there.”
That’ll show 'em.
If student unions can organize with worker unions for protests/strikes that seems like a possible way we’ll get enough momentum going to think about a general strike for some long overdue reforms
If student unions can organize with worker unions
Christ, can you even imagine what the police would do in the middle of a strike wave?
Battle of Blair Mountain eat your fucking heart out.
Watching the American democracy go down and the Palestinian people with it. So many young people losing hope and the alt right will elect a man even more opposed to the Palestinian cause than the current government of the United States. What a time so be alive.
Maybe it’s our turn to storm the capitol (peacefully) and establish actual fucking democracy (peacefully).
Unfortunately, revolutions don’t happen in a peaceful way. The ones in charge of this country would not simply give that power up without a fight. They won’t even let college students protest US support of Israel, peacefully.
the alt right will elect a man even more opposed to the Palestinian cause than the current government of the United States
It always gets me when we’ve got a government in which both parties rubber stamp another $4B genocide re-armerment bill, and you’ve still got some chucklefucks logging on to say “We need to support Biden if we want to help Palestinians”.
Like, fucking fine. He’s marginally better on Net Neutrality and maternity leave and green energy and student debt relief.
But maybe lets not drag 40,000 Palestinian corpses into the room and say “They want you to vote for Joe Biden, too”.
I don’t want to vote for anyone, because I am not a US citizen, but if I were, yes, I would say vote for Biden regardless. Why? Because even as a non US citizen I know enough about Project 2025 and this is not the future I want to see for this world. One good thing about Biden is that he will leave office when he loses. Last time Trump lost you nearly got a coup d’etat. But yeah, my comment wasn’t exactly about Biden vs Trump but more about the hopelessness of the current situation where it seems to get worse irrelevant of the direction you go.
Protests are important, but I also encourage and hope that young people who care about the world become lawyers and politicians
do you know lawyers and politicians? I’ve known a lot in my professional career.
They do not care about anyone but themselves.
Why is everyone afraid of college students protesting? I mean this police state response goes back to before Kent State and Tianemen square no doubt.
Well if it’s frightening- keep it up! There must be some form of agency there
I don’t think it’s the protesting, but rather the target of the protests. For some reason Israel seems to be held in higher regard than any American interest. We can protest and shit talk our own terrible politicians all day long and nobody really bats an eye. But ask that we stop murdering innocent brown children in Gaza? Threaten economic consequences for Israel if they don’t stop the murder? For some reason that is a grave offense worthy of trampling on our first amendment rights.
Think about how wild that is - speaking out against the atrocities a foreign government is committing is worthy of taking away your freedom in the US.
Historically, it seems like they can inspire a whole nation especially if demonstrators get hurt or get killed by the police or military
Eventually every mishandled conflict becomes about the response to the conflict instead of the issue that started it. I still remember the end of OWS when no one was talking about the bailouts anymore instead talking about the difference between camping and protesting I also remember the daily reminders that some anti-war protestor in 2003 threw acid at a cop.
People have the right to make their voice heard. Governments should understand that, establish areas where they can make it heard, and do nothing to make it turn violent. Likewise protestors should make sure that they focus on the issue they care about an expel ones that start shit.
Why is everyone afraid of college students protesting?
Its not fear, its a show of force. This is an opportunity to unleash pent up rage and inflict callous brutality on a group of people that mass media have flogged and hated on for decades. College students are poor, weak, and exceptionally vulnerable. Teachers are poor and overworked and increasingly precarious in their employment. College campuses are hotbeds of Marxism according to your average Boomer or news hour talking head.
So this is where municipal and state officials can drop the hammer unimpeded. This is where they can really indulge in their fascist impulses. This is where they know nobody will try and stop them.
I mean this police state response goes back to before Kent State and Tianemen square no doubt.
If Tienanmen Square happened in DC today, the guy standing in front of the tank would be labeled at Tankie by the NYT Op-Ed section.
They aren’t.
They are afraid of being labeled anti-semitic. That is what is driving this. Allowing the protests to exist gets the uni/president labeled anti-semitic, and that is unacceptable for the universities. The universities are then asking the police to break them up by force, because violent against students is more acceptable than being labeled anti-Semitic.
Are there any records of universities cancelling graduations ceremonies and/or arresting students for their support of Israel and/or Zionism?
Maybe in Iran.
I know several Jewish people who told me that they’re going to vote for Trump and the Republicans because they’re the only ones supporting them.
First they came for the trade unionists.
https://www.hmd.org.uk/resource/first-they-came-by-pastor-martin-niemoller/
You skipped a couple.
So the Jewish people you know are stupid enough to shoot their own feet?
No, the Jewish people I know are terrified of the growing anti-Semitism within the left
Well now you know a Jewish person who isn’t terrified of that at all. Hello.
Probably should be protesting the terrorist organization of Hamas and not supporting them…
They are a cancer that needs to be removed in order for everyone to live in peace.
I agree. As one of the seemingly few here. Crazy how biased Lemmy is on some topics.
Ya, Lemmy is so biased against genocide and the mass murder of women and children. It’s weird.
Ah yes now it is mass murder, let’s just redefine words however we want.
What do you call 34,000 dead, 2/3rds of which are women and children? And mass graves of 400 of women, the elderly, and wounded at hospital sites? What’s the difference between mass murder and that? Or do you just prefer the word genocide? Because that seems worse…
Okay, let’s talk about this seriously, thank you for your non-emotional reply.
We go back to the initial cause of this war. I would like to ask you what Israel should have done instead of what they did. Was there an alternative that did not involve striking back?
Im no international relations expert, I just know genocide is bad. But, if I were forced into the position, I’d probably suggest striking back proportionally, then make a deal to return hostages. This would probably involve negotiating for a two state, or even better a one state, solution. Negotiate with PLO to legitimize them, take the wind out of Hamas recruitment by giving the Palestinians full rights and sovereignty. Get international agencies in, and not just biased ones like the US and Germany, to help negotiate this so everyone gets heard. Basically, do something akin to dealing with what South Africa did, or how LBJ would negotiate with MLK to avoid dealing with the more militant black movements, or how they dealt with the IRA (negotiations, not violence).
But that is what they did? Strike back and the whole time try to get the hostage back. All they needed to do was give the hostage back to get a cease fire, but they didn’t. It same way there is no way to have peace with Putin, he simply does not want it. We can not negotiate with someone who declines or makes absurd demands.
Palestine did not get a “jail” because everyone around wanted to be mean to them. It got that way because of what the kept doing over and over. They have to change first before the others can open up again. Their terror attack only proved they are neither changing nor willing to change. So suggesting that is the way forward is really odd given what those around had to endure in the last decades. Like giving sweets to a toddler that is throwing a tantrum, that is not how it works.
