This conversation is held daily over in the echo chamber known as !conservative@lemm.ee
Careful, winning an argument with a mod earns a free lifetime ban.
Careful, winning an argument with a mod earns a free lifetime ban.
So just like the old subreddit then? Weird how that piece of culture sticks with them.
The difference is that on Reddit I got suspended from the entire site for “report abuse” because I (correctly) reported misinformation in r/conservative and it hurt the snowflake mods’ fee-fees.
In other words, Lemmy is structurally superior because there are no fascist admins with the power to ban you from the entire network.
Lmao, I reported genocidal comments in r/worldnews and was site banned for the same reason.
I had 4 reports total, 2 were acted on and the other 2 were pretty blatant calls to violence.
It’s actually what made me quit Reddit.
Meanwhile I got no questions asked appeal denied lifetime banned from Reddit for saying “I should totally be allowed to punch Nazis”.
I always mentally append “Nazi sympathizers” to reddit now…
Being banned from a conservative zone is like a mark of quality humanship.
It’s full of bad faith arguments, putting rules before humanity, the strictest possible interpretation of those rules, and they LOVE to put words in your mouth or waste your time asking for resources that they won’t read and will just respond “What are you even talking about?” because they’ve already moved the goal posts. Their newest mod spent his first hour as a mod getting in fights about Hunter Biden’s laptop and is so vehemently against tax increases because he’s one of the rich whose taxes would probably go up. He’ll gladly tell you that the rich are already paying TOO MUCH and they wouldn’t benefit from paying more.
But, hey, at least they ban the R word and homophobia.
I can still remember how the news in fucking Germany changed. Suddenly, once Biden was in office, we didn’t get US politics in our evening news multiple times per week anymore. The United States became silent again.
Make America Boring Again
I long for the days when I thought government was boring and not worth my time. I know too much now too go all the way back, but it’s refreshing to have someone just quietly running the nation without starting a shitstorm every time their ego gets a little bit bruised.
It was always worth your time. The whole boomer mentality of not talking about politics is how we got into this mess.
But I’m glad you’re with us now. The sane need all the help we can get.
We need to elect PhDs who have proven intellectual rigor and base decisions off data. The current setup is nothing more than a soap opera ran off corporate donations.
No, what we need is for all politicians to have served as teachers, professional childcare providers or medical professionals for at least five years before they can run for federal or state office.
Look at all these fucking Russian/MAGA trolls in the comments trying to play a “both sides” thing.
I was there. I lived through both. You can go fuck yourself. Like trump.
I think the middle person is living on the military grade hopium where there’s bound to be a revolution that solves everything, it’s just around the corner too. So why bother trying to get small wins or even slow down the worsening conditions. Revolution will fix everything.
Any day now…
Everybody thinks they’ll come out on top after a “revolution” but they almost certainly will not. Such chaos is far more likely to help than hurt fascists. That’s kind of their jam.
See: Iran.
AAAAnd China. The progressive communist revolution was pioneered by young and ambitious urban intellectuals to fight against warlords, Foreign imperialism, and old China; later also the attempted dictatorship of Chiang Kai-shek. Unfortunately, their hard work was eventually hijacked by conservatives and dictators.
A bit of fun fact: after the communist revolution and cultural revolution, China was slowly stepping towards democracy, through internal CCP reform:
called for the end of bureaucracy, centralisation of power as well as patriarchy, proposing term limits to the leading positions in China and advocating the “democratic centralism” as well as the “collective leadership”.
Deng emphasized that the Constitution must be able to protect the civil rights of Chinese citizens and must reflect the principle of separation of powers; he also described the idea of “collective leadership” and championed the principle of “one man, one vote” among leaders to avoid the dictatorship of the General Secretary of CCP.
Unfortunately, the pro-democracy crowd lost, because they sided with Tiananmen square student protest. Their defeat eventually leads to the Tiananmen Square massacre. And the political power fallen into the hand of the conservatives.
after the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, many leading reformists including Zhao and Bao were removed from their posts, and the majority of the planned political reforms (after 1986) ended drastically. Left-wing conservatives led by Chen Yun, President Li Xiannian and Premier Li Peng took control
The pro-democracy leaders were all weakened or arrested after Tiananmen Square massacre:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhao_Ziyang
lost power for his support of the 1989 Tian’anmen Square protests.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Qili
he was purged for his sympathy toward the student protesters and his support for General Secretary Zhao Ziyang’s opposition to the use of armed force.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bao_Tong
During the 1989 Tian’anmen square protests, he was one of the very few Chinese senior officials to express understandings with the demonstrating students, which led to his arrest shortly before the June Fourth incident.
So there might be a bizarre alternative world, where Tiananmen Square protest did not happen and China is now a democracy…
The bizarre alternative world isn’t even where the protests didn’t happen, it’s where agents of foreign governments and local fanatics didn’t hijack/build them up with the explicit goal of producing as much bloodshed as possible.
I was hoping tankies won’t have a conspiracy theory about one of the most tragic event of human kind, but I guess I overestimated humanity.
These were well-educated, progressive, and ambitious students, passionated about a brighter future for China. They share the same vision and drive as the founding members of CCP. And they are more passionate about communism than all the tankies I have seen, and willing to sacrifice their life for their admirable goals.
Their requirements has always been simple and clear: build a progressive democratic government in Hu Yaobang’s vision, and purge the conservatives like Li Peng from CCP, which is founded upon a progressive vision of China. Thus, they are needlessly and brutally murdered by conservatives who seek to stabilize their own power.
If you work for the CCP, I doubt I will be able to project any sense into your brain. I can only hope these word might be helpful for readers of your comments to gain some context.
Okay, I guess Chai Ling never existed and the multiple admitted connections to western regime change programs of three letter agencies are all cpc propaganda?
It’s one thing to say that the events are tragic and that it would have been good if dengist students could have implemented reforms, a sentiment I mostly agree with, it’s another entirely to suggest that there was no manipulation towards violence by people either directly or indirectly tied to western intelligence operations.
E: autocorrect dengist -> dentist where’s my denguin holding a pick hexbear emoji?
The funny thing is that while Trump got constant media attention for personally saying and doing a lot of inappropriate things that past Republican presidents wouldn’t have, he was actually a fairly normal Republican president in terms of the federal government’s major policies during his term. I suppose he wasn’t actually very interested in the unglamorous business of government and left it to other, less unconventional members of his party.
This isn’t true in the slightest. Trump absolutely destroyed federal government policies. What presidency were you watching? Bush didn’t do anything even close to this much damage to the federal government. Not since Reagan. And that’s honestly being generous to Reagan, because he did a lot of federal government damage.
Do you have any specific Trump-era changes in mind?
Anything from the first page should have disqualified him.
But Biden ended up building the border wall? Also pushing loan forgiveness is neutralized by the fact that he restarted loan payments.
I can list dozens of other trump-era bullshit Biden maintained, but it’s tiring.
I feel like I’ve been having this same conversation for a decade, after watching Obama demotivate the base by maintaining/expanding Bush’s policies, while republicans and democrats insist that he actually implemented socialism.
To my knowledge the only sections of wall he’s built were funded by Trump’s Congress before he left office. Meaning he had little choice but to spend the money on what Congress appropriated it for.
I don’t know about you, but I’d rather not live in a world where someone like Trump can just decide he doesn’t want to spend portions of the money Congress appropriated. He could just suddenly decide that the federal government isn’t going to pay like Medicaid or SNAP.
this is basically what he tried to do with money for ukraine. refusing to give it till he got tit for tat. Its funny that alciholicorn is continuing the exact crazy type of arguments that the screenshot highlights.
A .ml user arguing exactly like a conservative? Go figure 🤔
I’m pretty old. Biden has been the best president of my lifetime.
He should be viewed as a national hero for beating Donnie in 2020 and making it stick, which was probably harder than it looked. The US President starting a coup has lots of strings to pull.
I genuinely think that the only reason so many people aren’t able to admit that is because of Gaza.
I deduct credit from a President if they are primarily fixing problems that they themselves caused or greatly assisted in creating throughout their previous political career. In Biden’s case, that means that he is unlikely to get better than absolute neutral due to his incredibly long history of selling out the American people.
I will not give Biden an 11th hour passing grade just because he is up against Trump, he doesn’t deserve to be graded on a curve.
Eh, this is a bit too “moving the finish line” for me. In a super long political career, attitudes shift. I don’t think you can judge someone for, say, cheering about Don’t Ask Don’t Tell (a win for it’s time, but now seen as a crappy half measure) as long as their attitudes shifted. That’s kind of how politics works. 100 years from now current liberal attitudes will be looked down on because they aren’t progressive enough. That’s sort of the definition of progress.
So if I spend my life being a right bastard, like 50 straight years of kicking dogs, stealing from old ladies, being a slum lord and extorting people, breaking people’s legs in mafia style protection rackets, dumping toxic industrial byproducts into rivers, and using my wealth and power to keep and enforce “sundown laws”, but then in my 60s open an animal shelter, fund bingo nights and retirement centers, set up community reinvestment grants, sponsor efforts to get the wetlands to get cleaned up as a Superfund site, and get diversity and equality training implemented for the police department, would I then be considered to be a good person because my attitude shifted? The thousands of people I hurt and potentially indirectly killed over those 50 years don’t count against the good I am now doing?
Even simpler, if I steal and destroy your car, causing you to lose your job because you don’t have transportation which then causes you to lose your home, should I then be praised for giving you a nicer brand new car a year later?
Sticking to politics in case that’s the only place this kind of behavior gets a pass, what if someone didn’t cheer for Don’t Ask Don’t Tell but instead had sponsored bills undoing limitations or bans on gay conversion therapy. Does later supporting a bill making conversion therapy illegal undo the suicides and trauma they inflicted because their apparent attitude has changed? Are they now equal to the person who spent their entire career pushing for gay rights, because this person supported strengthening of domestic partnership laws instead of marriage equality 20-30 years ago? They both support gay rights now, so is saying that the first person is doing the bare minimum and shouldn’t really be called an ally “moving the finish line”?
You’re quite literally an idiot if this isn’t disingenuous
This guy LOVES a good old fashioned genocide.
I honestly don’t get the hate against Biden. From what I’ve seen, he’s old and he’s done a whole lot of good, more than the average democratic president.
Him being the choice over Trump should be an obvious, nearly anyone over Trump is the better choice, so what the hell is wrong with these people wanting to vote trump or not vote at all just to stick it to Biden?
I honestly don’t get the hate against Biden.
I hate on Biden, even though I believe he is a good president overall. My hate stems for the very obvious (maybe petty) reason:
He is the wrong direction. The way to beat fascism is by being bold, progressive and forward thinking. Biden is basically the “let’s play it safe” candidate. All well and good, but clearly he did not reduce the appetite for fascism.
And yes, I think Bernie would have.
I agree almost entirely. Boldness is the way to defeat fascism, and Biden is not bold enough.
At the same time, I do think there is a caveat. Reducing the appetite for fascism is reliant on success, and, if I am being honest, fucking no one was going to be successful in this political climate with this Congress and electorate. If Bernie flounders, progressivism is discredited, even if it’s not at all his fault; even if he, individually, is doing the best anyone could be expected to do. If Biden, who is very much a moderate on most issues, flounders, appetite for change increases.
There’s a sick calculus in politics that, though you as a voter should always vote for the best candidate who has a serious chance to win, in objective analysis, the best candidate winning isn’t always the best thing for the cause.
I voted for Bernie in the 2016 and 2020 primaries, and if the 2024 primary was at all serious instead of locked-in to the incumbent, seriously speaking, I would vote for him in 2024 too, just to be clear.
Ok. So orange man is a fucking maniac.
But rejoining the Paris agreement is just dumb without intention or interest of fulfilling it. So many countries have signed it just for show. Leaving it and calling it bullshit virtue signalling is actually better.
Look at the statistics for the countries. It’s not doing anything than green washing.
The other points is probably true and great. But the Paris agreement is pure trash.
- Damn. I was mistaken. Guess promises will solve the climate crisis. Not action.
Yes OK, but apart from all that, what has Biden ever done?
He mAdE tHe pRiCe oF cHeeSe Go uP!
biden sitting in the office, twiddling the “cheese price” knob and giggling to himself
That’s why the cheesemakers are blessed, so that they’ll increase production which will result in lower cheese prices across the board.
