• tearsintherain@leminal.space
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    7 months ago

    I am somewhat amazed how much influence Israel seems to have over the United States. Even colleges and universities behaving as though they may as well be established in some autocratic, authoritarian state. It’s like a signal was sent out all over the US. The same nation that brought the world NSO has people doxxing students for supporting Palestinians. How easy it’s become to dehumanize people, women and children, babies even because the religious fervor truly has the right wing zealots believing they are “the chosen people”. The dehumanization of Palestinian people is quite disgusting.

    Another reminder that religion and politics should never be allowed to mix anywhere.

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      Ita not just the US, all Western countries except Ireland are basically doing whatever Israel wants. Check any larger western newspaper and none are really critical of Israel. Look at Germany for an example of how fucked they are in Europe.

      Canada, Australia, Britain, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland, Estonia, Japan, Austria and Romania All cut UNRWA funding based purely on Israels word with zero evidence.

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        When will this lie stop? People never shut the fuck up about this conflict in the west. There are endless protests and the media repeats that Isreal needs to stop every day.

        And yet all day, every day, on Lemmy people cry about the west not caring or writing about it or shilling for Isreal. It’s just delusional bordering on dishonest at this point.

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          You are conflating citizens with governments. Just because we protest doesn’t mean our governments are not sending weapons and support their way.

          And the media pushes Israeli talking points and often does shit like refusing to use the word genocide, while using loaded language to make Israel seem the victim.

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            7 months ago

            I am not. I meant exactly what I said and I’d thank you to not make shit up and pretend I meant something else. The US government is made up of many many people who vocalize their disagreement with Isreal and have called it a genocide.

            The Associated Press, the media organization this post is from is an American non-profit based in New York. Easily half the articles run in the US are rehashed AP articles.

  • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Brought to you by decades of Israeli lobbying money mixed with gullible religious morons in the U.S. legislature. Money in politics leads to genocide.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        We should pool together and buy ourselves some politicians, y’all.

        Traditionally, one calls that “forming a party” but unfortunately we live in a two-party system.

        It should be noted that the $4B Israel got wasn’t just $4B for Israel. It was $4B for purchase of US weapons systems too Israel. And it wasn’t just Israel lobbying for this spending. You had a host of MIC lobbyists throwing in their own millions.

        It should further be noted that AIPAC isn’t just doing a one-time $4M retail purchase of legislation. They’ve spend decades building up an enormous back bench of former US Congresscritters, allied staffers, political bundlers, event organizers, and religious affiliates. They injected $4M down the funnel in an 11th-hour push for the next traunch of military kick-backs that they’ve been receiving since the Bush 43 administration.

        No other investment reliably returns 1000:1.

        Its important to recognize that Israel provides an incredibly vital service to the US military in the form of maintaining control of the Suez Canal. Its not just a 1000:1 ROI. They’re holding Egyptian national leadership at gunpoint and we’re kicking them over some money to keep the gun loaded.

  • Wrench@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    I posed a question in another thread, but this one seems like it’s winning:

    Who would represent Palestine if they had been accepted? Who can represent Palestine?

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      7 months ago

      PA, you know Gaza isn’t Palestine. Plus the two state is set at the founding of Israel, and both Israel and Palestine have equal rights to be represented in the UN.

      It is another story that Israel is trying deliberately to undermine Palestinian rights and oppose any statehood. All the road blocks, checkpoints, walls, settlement etc. built and imposed to the Palestinian population are completely illegal according to international law, but again Israel backed by the US act with extreme impunity.

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        Under this thought process, if Gaza isn’t Palestine, should the Palestinians’ state be recognized, what happens to Gaza? Is it absorbed into Israel? From what I can tell I don’t think this is gonna fly, almost anyone talking about this and the Gazans themselves don’t agree it seems

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          Never said that, What is a Palestinian territory is defined in 1948. Where it is clearly stated what should belong to Israel and what to Palestine.

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            I mean, that ship has sailed though right? Israel will never agree to that unless it’s destroyed.

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              7 months ago

              I guess so, but Israel is acting like this because they have the US behind their back, and I am sure if this wasn’t the case they would not be so reckless and act with such impunity in the region and it is a failure of the US to rein them.

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                7 months ago

                They’d probably have all been murdered by muslim fanatics without outside support, something I feel far roo many here would support.

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                  7 months ago

                  You mean exactly what Israel is doing right now? Because they don’t seem fazed by the high civilian casualties or the dire humanitarian situation in Gaza.

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    7 months ago

    Dearest Biden,

    Please stop trying to get Trump elected.

    Pleasant Regards, Everyone who gives a shit about abortion access.

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      7 months ago

      The proposal is for the West Bank government to be recognized in the UN as the State of Palestine, not Hamas. By conflating both you’re regurgitating far right talking points meant to dehumanie Palestinians and deprive them of any tool to answer to literal crimes against humanity.

      • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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        They should start demonstrating their commitment to humanity by condemning Hamas, condemning the October 7 attacks, and then by pursuing the war criminals in their own ranks for a while, instead of offering support and shelter.

        Your comment reminded me of one of those times Trump’s campaign manager, former attorney or something was charged with crimes, and then Trump pretended he didn’t even know the person.

        I am not strongly opposed the West Bank having UN membership but they have work to do. I could be convinced they’re on their way. I haven’t seen much evidence of that.