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Benjamin Netanyahu is seeking to trap the west into a total war across the Middle East that would have incalculable consequences for the region and the world, Iran’s top diplomat in the UK has claimed, in his first interview since Tehran launched an unprecedented missile and drone attack against Israel at the weekend.
Seyed Mehdi Hosseini Matin also warned that if Israel made “another mistake” by launching an attack on Iran, there would be a response from Iran that was stronger, more severe, and administered without a warning like that issued before the weekend attack.
The salvo of more than 300 drones and missiles – almost all of which were intercepted by Israel and its allies or fell short of their targets – came in retaliation for a 1 April airstrike on the Iranian consulate in Damascus, Syria, that killed several Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards officers. Israel’s top general, Lt Gen Herzi Halevi, has said the country would respond, but it remains unclear what form that would take.
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Normally, I’m the first to call out Iran on bullshit, but, uh, they ain’t wrong here.
Except this is totally wrong. Israel is doing it out of self interest, not some weird conspiracy to drag the west into something. They want to gain power for themselves, just as Iran, the US, and every other country wants to do. There is zero reason to think it’s more than that. Bibi needs a distraction, and that’s what all of this is.
It’s not a weird conspiracy though. It’s just that dragging the US into protecting Israel from Iran has the effect of halting US criticism of the Gaza genocide.
Dragging the US into the middle east would provide Bibi the distraction he needs for the rest of his life.
Or maybe Iran is making a play by saying something to enflame Americans? I don’t know why anyone would listen to Iran suddenly. Sure, they’re against Israel, which is the popular stance here right now (for good reason), but they don’t care to be accurate. They say something because it’s useful.
I wasn’t on Lemmy then, but I’d be curious to see what Lemmy would have been like during the Iranian protests that I think we’re last year. I’m sure they’d be saying Iran is lying about everything then and only saying what’s useful. I don’t know why anyone would trust a word they say now.
Anything with power is always lying. Consider what purpose saying it has. Even if it’s true, they’re saying it to manipulate. The actual implied intent is a lie.
I don’t think you have to “listen to Iran” to know Israel attacked their embassy compound.
Yeah, because Iran is noted for their knowledge of geopolitics
I mean, yes. Iran is unironically very talented at manipulating regional politics to their favor. You don’t have one of the best systems of proxies and catpaws in the region without knowing shit like that.
Iran’s international competence isn’t generally the problem - but whether to trust what they say. Usually, the answer is “No, you shouldn’t trust anything out of their mouth”, but in this case, it’s a “The sky is blue” moment.
This has been Israel’s aim for its entire existence. It’s no mere coincidence that any country that could potentially stand up to it has been invaded or otherwise regime changed (Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc) or paid off (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc, but likely only to hold them off because their turn will come later). Iran is a major item on the hit list.
By “the west” I assume this means the US and Germany because at this point do any other countries even really support Israel?
Isn’t that enough!? OK, I suspect there are other governments out there that will fall on the side of Israel should push comes to shove. I strongly suspect the UK will also support Israel when it comes to it.
It’s just weird how people use “the west” and are just talking about the US. Gives off the vibes of some people calling China “the orient”.
Both Iran and Israel are doing their shit here.
Yeah Iran should just keep getting hit by the bully (having top military generals get assasinated in consulates) without hitting back!
Always remember, if the bullied kid fights back, two parties are at fault!
Yes because iran is totally innocent and hideous western nations bully it, so it needs to defend itself!
Iran’s been pretty fucking quiet since the Iraq War
Hamas Hezbollah and Houthis are all Iranian proxies. It’s like saying the USSR was quiet during the cold war.
Would have been great if America didn’t overthrow Iran’s Democratic government in 1953 to steal their oil and helped do it again in 1979
Alright cool Iran, you see the potential danger. So how about you don’t escalate shit yourselves?
Sending a message “We can overwhelm your batteries of 100,000 dollar missiles with 1000 dollar drones if we want to.” is a de-esclatory action; it shows that escalating would be bad for Israel, without requiring a response.
Edit: According to an Israeli general, the Israeli missiles cost a total of ~1 billion. IDK if this includes the missiles launched by the US.
That’s not how I would read that. That would make me want to destroy the facilities the weapons came from
This is not a defense of Israel’s choices, this is a hypothetical response to an enemy making clear an engagement pattern is not in my favor. Find a new engagement.
That’s not how I would read that. That would make me want to destroy the facilities the weapons came from
Bombing American factories would be a hell of an escalation.
I get you’re trying to gotcha me, but you proved my point. If Iran had the means to go after American weapons production facilities, that certainly would be another engagement pattern.
They don’t really have the means to do so, so it’s irrelevant.
I never suggested Iran’s course of action wrt Israel was nonsensical, in the context of retaliation to Israel’s embassy bombing (which was despicable)
Edit what we are discussing here is now Israel’s next response to Iran, in light of them not being able to afford to shoot down tons of Iranian drones.
What has happened has happened, and we have no signal that iran and Israel are going to leave the extremism behind, and start a big happy family.
Israel will be seeking a new vector of retaliation, and they can’t just sit back and try to shoot down drones.
I get you probably want to respond that they should just cease all aggression and the drones would stop. I agree but that’s not what’s happening.
Likewise I agree that the us should absolutely stop supplying / supporting Israel, but that also isn’t what’s happening.
iran and Israel are going to leave the extremism behind
Don’t both sides this shit, Iran has been exceedingly level headed in the face of multiple acts of war, making only token or equal responses after having their ships stolen, a civilian airliner shot down, the guy who beat ISIS assassinated while on a diplomatic mission, their IAEA compliant nuclear program attacked, sanctions, violations of treaties, etc.
Iran is a authoritarian theocracy, seeking Israel’s destruction. That’s all I’m implying.
Israel is commiting genocide. I am,.and have never apologized for them.
Israel is a authoritarian theocracy, seeking Iran’s destruction.
Yet only one of these parties is actively killing the others top generals.
