Russian President Vladimir Putin promised Friday to “immediately” order a cease-fire in Ukraine and start negotiations if Kyiv began withdrawing troops from the four regions annexed by Moscow in 2022 and renounced plans to join NATO. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy rejected what he called an ultimatum by Putin to surrender more territory…
Dear Russian president, go fuck yourself - Ukraine
“I’ll walk away if you let me steal what I want.” Yeah no. You’ll be back tomorrow anyway.
Looks like he is getting more desperate. Nice.
I saw a different interpretation of the same news on Hexbear. The gist of it was as follows:
- Putin is being bold because he’s winning and at this point can make such demands.
- He’s even being generous, he’s winning and gives Ukraine the opportunity to stop the deaths.
- Ukraine is not expected to accept these terms, because “the West” won’t allow them.
So yeah…
- Russia already made peace offers in the past. So far they always did them when things weren’t going well for them.
I wonder if all of the Russian propagandists on hexbear know each other, or if they believe anyone on hexbear is a real person.
I’m honestly so curious about it. Like, the way they argue sort of implicitly acknowledges that they aren’t actually right about the facts, and are just trying to engage in tactics to “win” or claim victory instead of talking about what’s really going on. They have to understand that, on some level, in order to be able to do it. And yet, there seem like there are way too many of them and the endeavor would be too pointless for it to all be just troll farms talking to each other every day about how awesome Russia and China are.
Like I really wish that I could push a button and turn off fog of war for a second and see what’s actually going on there. Who are you? Who are the propagandists, in which groupings, and how many accounts do they run and which ones? What is everyone’s motivation? Where do the people live? And so on.
…after the U.S. and Ukraine this week signed a 10-year security agreement that Russian officials, including Putin, denounced as “null and void.”
You can’t declare something “null and void”, invalid, in your legal system if it doesn’t even exist in your legal system.
Like, you aren’t a party to this. It’s got nothing to do with you.
Unless the claim here is that it violates the US or the Ukrainian constitutions or something like that and they’re talking about those systems, which I assume is not what’s going on.
Ukraine calls Russia’s election in occupied territories null and void
See, that is meaningful. Ukraine’s saying that they don’t recognize the authority of the elected people as representing the people there; they aren’t going to deal with them or extend them authority. Whether Ukraine recognizes the people there has some impact on its actions.
But Russia isn’t going to deal with the agreement or extend it authority. There isn’t any question of them recognizing it or not recognizing it.
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Seems valid. Declare world peace next!
Lyndsay Graham says “I do declare my lady bugs need a hug.”
But Russia isn’t going to deal with the agreement
I’m pretty sure Putin is gonna have to deal with it.
I declare Bankruptcy!
He’s lying. Ukraine’s only long term defence is NATO membership. And conceding territory worked so well with Crimea, eh.
No negotiations with terrorists pls.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on you.
Fool me three times? Leave me the fuck alone you annoying prick.
Dear president Putin, We see this as a very reasonable deal. Will you join president Zelenskyj for a ceremonial signing at Oude Waalsdorperweg 10 tomorrow?
This was addressed to Russians.
Or maybe it’s a ploy to help factions friendly to Russia rise to power in countries that currently support Ukraine.
If an isolationist faction can pretend that Russia made a good faith bid to end the war, they can paint continued support of Ukraine as adventurism and a waste of money.
It doesn’t have to be true. It just needs to be close enough to rhyme with the misgivings of folks that don’t want to spend their tax dollars helping Ukraine fight.
This is not close at all though. This can convince no one that isn’t already 100% on their side.
A depressing number of people are extremely low information voters. It’s intended to sow confusion in their minds. If you can get them into a “they are all the same” mentality, then you can either get them to vote for you, or just not bother voting (and so not voting against you).
Basically, people who use Lemmy etc are not their target audience.
German Pro-Putin politicians have already jumped on this, loudly proclaiming they want peace. That does resonate with people, especially those who are afraid.
Because we can totally trust Zputin, right? Right? What a joke.
We have perfectly good truces from 1991 and 1994. if putin can’t accept them he cannot be trusted.
Counter-offer: Zelensky shits in your cornflakes, and a NATO base in Odessa.
Yes Putin, that sounds very reasonable, but alternatively and I’m sure you will find this equally reasonable. Why don’t you pull back to Moscow, and let Ukraine have their territory back, plus everything Russia has around the black sea?
Also Russia: Stop escalating by sending in old equipment, or we will nuke you!
I’m sure you can see where we come from, because it’s the same place you are coming from. Malignant narcissistic insanity, with zero regard for human lives or reason or anything that rhymes with decency.
If.
Pinky promise?
[glug-glug-glug] Ees good deal /ssssss
