I’ve taken to the term 3rd-wave Trek for the 2010s-present shows to identify the stylistic differences in production compared to shows made in the 80s-90s or 60s.
Each era is molded by the media conventions of it’s time. And there I go reinventing Marshal McLuhan again: “the medium is the message”
The Cage is peak trek
Never accepted Kirk and those after as real trek
You better be referring to the original broadcast recorded to magnetic tape and not the abomination that is the DVD release
What about the option of the original black and white recording of ‘The Cage’ with the colour portions from ‘The Menagerie’ spliced in, as released to videotape in thr 80s?
That was the real Star Trek. Roddenberry even took it to cons in the 70s and 80s to let fans know what he really wanted to put on the air.
Good point. Everything after that is woke critical race theory DEI!
You’re fooling yourself if you don’t want to see the sharp decrease in quality post DS9. The best Trek series of the last 25 years is Orville ffs
I’d give strange new worlds a pass as being better than Orville, but yeah, it’s definitely the exception to the rule.
LOL I had a whole reply typed out before I realized this was sarcasm. A+ example of a red flag.
You’re so threatened by people who like different TV shows than you that you have to pretend their opinions aren’t serious?
What if I say all trek is both NuTrek and OldTrek because accidental time travel
Creative fun in-universe answers are always:
I don’t mind the Kelvin films. Karl Urban as Bones makes it all worth while.
They’re just popcorn flicks. Watch or don’t watch and it’s not like the Star Trek Universe is altered in any way. (Also, those movies are better than everything after Wrath of Khan, movie-wise)
If it doesn’t have 20+ episode seasons it’s nutrek
NuTrek apparently began in 1973.
So season one of DS9 and voyager?
Based on a real situation I encountered once: Normal Star Trek Fan: Yeh, I like Seven of Nine.
“Red flag” Star Trek Fan: I like Seven of Nine.
What’s the face for anyone who remembers that by TOS canon, the greek god Apollo is real and just got bored of Earth and fucked off to another planet?
Teal’c.
I like NuMetal tbh
Both panels are acceptable and objectively correct.
I don’t really like any Trek past DS9 Don’t hate me
This is the good take. Star Trek peaked at DS9 and there’s yet to be a good reason to continue past it.
Biggest red flag in the entire thread. You win.
Ah yes, “my opinion is infallible and I’m righteous for screaming it from the rooftops, but your opposing opinion is ignorant and worthy of dismissal!”
Red flag indeed, friend.
This is so good I literally can’t tell if you’re doing copypasta or not
As long as you don’t take every available opportunity to steer every single online conversation towards how you don’t like a tv show then we’re cool
“You are allowed to have your opinion so long as you don’t share it”
But they did share it and were cool about it. It’s people who say stuff like “this is shit and people who like it are shit” that need to cool their jets.
VOY and ENT are good
Never liked VOY, writing is poor… Not interesting sci-fi like TNG, not a captivating story like DS9…
The Doctor is essentially the only good part. Maybe Seven of Nine, Jery Ryan is a great actress, despite the embarrassing clothing.SNW is good, DIS is whack. PIC essentially crapped all over the past series’ development, killed Hugh, Ro, Icheb, made the Federation grimdark… Monk Worf was cool tho.
Voyager’s writing is inconsistent. There’s some fantastic episodes… and then there’s salamanders.
I mean, technically everything from TNG onwards would be NuTrek and Kelvin-stuff would be NuNuTrek, or rather Re-Trek, since it’s a reboot.
NuTrek started when they did a full visual reboot, including completely changing the look of the Klingons: TMP.
Then it got worse, when they followed that up with a grimdark shoot-em-up that felt nothing like Trek. These people aren’t even fans of the show!
Who wanted a visual reboot of the Klingons?
Discovery had so many problems for me: ship flies on magic mushrooms, her mom basically doesn’t care about her anymore by the end of it - the show-starting plot line, and the Klingons look like sweaty orcs.
Yeah, who wanted this visual reboot of the Klingons between old trek and nutrek?
What’s wrong with the magic mushrooms? It’s not like Trek was ever hard sci-fi when it came to how the ships fly. For crying out loud, in Voyager they went so fast they were everywhere at once, then Tom Paris and Janeway had salamander babies.
It just felt so cliche, that the crazy discovery they make is that the strange stuff is alive. The writers couldn’t make it sentient because then they’d need to explain why it’s just like the Great Lake but different from the Great Lake. It just exists and Star Fleet happens to be the only ones who know about it.
Who wanted a visual reboot of the Klingons?
Gene Roddenberry, I guess. IMO the guy really fell off when he turned Trek into a saturday morning cartoon show. But yeah, sweaty orc is right, just look at these monstrosities:
lol, I love that you’re conflating the creator having the budget to make the show more in-line with his original vision with someone else making a lousy change for no clear reason. It’s a nice knee-slapper of a comment you have right there. Good luck with it.
TV and movie productions are collaborative efforts undertaken by a huge number of creative people, and I don’t think any of them make their decisions for no reason. The “original creator” of the Klingons was Gene L. Coon, who had nothing to do with their portrayal in TMP.
completely changing the look of the Klingons
You are talking about the TOS movies/TNG? Never understand the forehead thing either
Yeah, I’m facetiously comparing the 1979 arguments over bumpy headed Klingons to the 2017 arguments over cone headed Klingons. What’s “new” keeps on changing, but the arguments about it stay eerily familiar.
“Nu” does not mean “New”.
It actually does. At least in this context.
maybe I’ve consumed more and more scifi over the years to compare to or maybe the later releases of trek have lowered the average in my mind but I can’t help but see trek in general as solidly mid now
solidly mid
I hadn’t watched any Trek in a while and in Picard there was a scene where their ship was hit and started listing like a boat and I was like “that’s not how space works!”, then remembered that’s the thing with Star Trek.
You got to remember that Star Trek is based upon submarines warfare.
I mean, once your have artificial gravity… why wouldn’t it suck just like normal gravity?
People lurch around the bridge because some photon torpedo rocked the “down is this way” machine.
Oh inside the ship definitely, but outside space doesn’t have a down. If a photon torpedo really hit the front it would push the ship backwards, not to the front and down. But it’s ok, it’s just a bit of fun 🚀
I didn’t really like TOS (except the movies, those were great) was a big TNG fan (not the movies though, didn’t like those), I loved DS9, I was okay with Voyager and basically did not care for anything after, except maybe Lower Decks? Haven’t seen SNW yet, will give it a try.
But all of that is just like, my opinion man, you go watch whatever gives you the good feels, I’ll not police your opinion.
Except if you like Discovery-Klingons, liking those makes you a garbage-human!🚩
Except if you like Discovery-Klingons, liking those makes you a garbage-human!
I was baffled about why their appearance was changed (again), but really hated the insistence on subs. I understand when I’m watching a movie and there is a scene in France that the characters are not actually speaking English with a French accent, it is translated for me for ease of viewing.
I like to have the option of doing things in the background when watching TV (Tidying up, making food, grinding something in a game, etc) and the insistence on using subs means the least interesting part of the show demanded my full attention.
Then just learn tlhIngan Hol?
I will always have a special place in my heart for the Kevin timeline because it was my gateway drug to the good stuff. I wound up watching all of Star Trek in chronical order enterprise to Voyager.
