Tesla’s Full Self Driving does not exist. If it did, it would be used in the ridiculous loop they built in Vegas which is literally like 10% of the complexity of driving in a real road… yet it is not even good enough to be piloted there.
Questions are growing? Haven’t they been out already for fucking years??
Tesla keeps promising things are fixed in the next update, then the next update, and so on. I don’t think Tealas have the proper sensors to avoid collisions and their algorithms don’t think like an attentive driver does.
Everybody knows that tesla sacrificed lidar sensors with cameras because it was cheaper. Yes, lidar can do it easily
It’s not seeing that’s the problem. It’s what to do with the information about what you see.
It’s both. Imagine being half blind flying a jet and you don’t understand what the instruments do.
That’s a typical Tesla engineer these days. (He’s fired the whole team at least twice now. The guys that are left are the most inept I desperately need a job engineers out there).
I’ve been questioning it since the day Mushk said “We don’t need fancy pants LiDAR, regular cameras are all you need!”
As if a safety critical system shouldn’t have backups or alternative sensors for verifying shit
Yes and because cams see so well in rain and fog 😅
Tech bros underestimating the complexity of real life yet again
So funny that all the musk brigaders on here, in full force, can only collectively muster 4 downvotes…
You are the wet farts of humanity.
The company has cautioned that cars equipped with the system cannot actually drive themselves and that motorists must be ready at all times to intervene if necessary.
This describes a level 2 system…
And in less than two months, the company is scheduled to unveil a vehicle built expressly to be a robotaxi.
…but this would require a level 4 system.
“It’s not even close, and it’s not going to be next year,” said Michael Brooks, executive director of the Center for Auto Safety.
And so I tend to agree, fully.
Tesla’s biggest issue is Musk.
Tesla held a commanding lead over the other automakers in the self-driving segment a few years ago. Now they’ve all mostly caught up thanks to Musk’s unhinged firings. Tesla lost some of its best talent for no other reason than not wanting to work for an egomaniacal billionaire nut job.
Tesla needs to fire Musk before he runs it into the ground just like he’s done to Twitter.
Tesla has never, ever, had anything remotely resembling a lead in autonomous vehicles. The actual AV industry doesn’t consider them part of it.
They’re only ahead of everyone else because they were prepared to release a product that was untested and quite possibly unsafe, whereas the other car manufacturers realized that would be detrimental to their business, both in terms of reputation, and the inevitable lawsuits. Tesla just does whatever though.
other car manufacturers realized that would be detrimental to their business
Ummm do they? I don’t care enough about cars to remember the details, but I’m sure I’ve heard some controversies about safety for at least a couple of brands
All the other self-driving cars are still very limited in their interactions with the real world. Only allowed in very limited locations and on predefined routes.
Tesla is the only people running self-driving car tech in the wild as far as I’m aware.
This times 50x with SpaceX. There’s ample justification to nationalize it at this point with Musk’s erratic behavior.
Well, and neurolink… It is so fascinating but every time musk starts talking again all the hype is lost with all the BS he is talking…
SpaceX still has the benefit of being run by someone who is at least somewhat less unhinged (shotwell)
Yes to fuck musk, but also…
“Commanding lead” equals other manufacturers also didn’t have a functioning feature (and still don’t now).
It’s not safe
Humans are not safe. 40k of them get killed in vehicle accidents every year in the US alone. Self driving doesn’t need to be flawless. It only needs to be safer. If perfection is the only thing we’ll settle for then that’ll cost us hundreds of thousands, if not millions of more lives untill we get there.
If we replaced every vehicle on US roads with self driving cars that were twice as safe of an driver as average human is, there would still be 50 deaths every single day. That’s 50 daily news articles on Lemmy about how “not safe” self driving cars are despite them saving additional 20k lives every year.
There is no independently verified data that shows Tesla self driving is actually better than humans.
I never claimed it is.
Yes you did: https://lemmy.ml/post/19661763/13303063
You should stop lying.
That was posted after replying to you and I’m making an entirely different claim there. Half as good as a human driver =/= twice as good as human. It’s also just my opinion, not a factual statement, only what I believe to be true.
Not a single lie was told.
Is the self driving in the room with us right now?
Honestly there’s so much shit about Tesla’s software on the Internet. I own a model y with “FSD” and I can confidently say that the current version (12.5.3) is a 90% solution. Is it perfect? No. Can it do everything? No. Can it drive me to work and back, to the grocery store, and whatever else I need without me intervening? Yes it can, and has no issues 90% of the time. Obviously for it to be considered level 5 or whatever it needs to work 99.999% of the time, but it’s good enough right now for me to not only use it regularly, but to also enjoy using it.
It’s an awesome piece of software and it still blows my mind to watch my car drive me around. We are living in the future.
To every even slightly educated person on the matter it’s immediately obvious that the majority of people commenting on these threads don’t have up-to-date information about how far FSD has come and their opinions are based on how bad it used to be and / or how bad they wish it was.
Everyone is free to go to YouTube and watch videos of people intentionally pushing the limits of this system. Like you said; it’s not flawless, but damn it’s good.
Same. I love my FSD and I’ve watched it go from 80% a few years ago to around 95% now.
I recently rode in a Tesla on FSD for over 26 hours of freeway travel. It was flawless the entire time.
On city streets? 90% was about right. It once took too sharp of a turn at a double right turn and spooked the driver next to us (although it didn’t cross into their lane, just got close), and another time decided to only change lanes halfway into the left turn lane.
I agree that it needs to be near 100% on city streets before it’s ready for launch because that 10% difference is HUGE when it comes to safety. If their “level 5” taxi isn’t using some vastly improved software, it needs to be kept off the street.
YouTube videos of FSD make it seem way better than it used to be (if they’re real) and it’s surprising that no one was paying attention until now.
I have it and it is legitimately a great driver aid. But you need to understand its limitations to use it safely. It’s a really awkward place to live in, because I get an immense amount of value out of it, but I would not just throw my mother in the car and trust her to use it safely.
I’m considering buying one but lately I’ve been thinking about maybe getting a Mustang because the BlueCruise seems more honest. However, Ford doesn’t seem super committed to electric and it’s all hard to justify when my Honda just won’t die.
Absolutely a Mach E over a Tesla.
Blue Cruise is legit as well though significantly more limited than FSD, and Ford is unlikely to push new updates the way Tesla does.
At least they have it. It’s incredible to see videos of the FSD on highways, and Waymo robot taxis in the USA.
I wish we had technology in Europe.
