It’ll be a lot harder for them with federated software, and when the free instances are all solidly established
They can still infiltrate them by buying their way into the admin/s pokets since maintaining servers is expensive.
maintaining servers is a lot more affordable when your website isn’t bloated with tracking and unnecessary features. It’s not realistic for a corporation to buy up a significant chunk of the fediverse anyways
It honestly doesn’t seem that expensive based on others talking about their hosting costs. The bigger instance will be more expensive but they would also have a lot more people who can easily handle the cost without needing external funds. That said some instance will go that way not for the server cost but for simply money in their pocket at which point you can just switch to another instance.
It gets more expensive if you strart a successful meme community with lots of data. Some big Mastodon servers already store gigabytes per hour. Even with Cloudflare the expenses can soon get pretty high.
But yes, everything else with Lemmy is just a few euros a month.
I still don’t understand why they aren’t just utilizing imgur and that catbox hosting service exclusively. Plenty of image/gif hosting options.
The current default installation, especially if using Ansible, doesn’t use any commercial image hosting services. You need to go out of the golden path to do so.
Even using an S3-compatible host is not in the default path: the files are stored to the server file system. So, yeah, maybe this is the reason. And of course, giving your content to a commercial entity is something people in the fediverse doesn’t like that much. Wasn’t the idea to get rid of these entities that can just be bought by a billionaire asshole and suddenly killing your community.
Any estimate on costs? Round figures?
My lemm.ee instance costs around €150-200 per month (as per our admin) which is a medium sized instance but it is extremely well maintained. But it’s certainly not 100s of millions of dollars, that’s for sure.
Someone made a thread specifically for that a while ago but don’t remember where or what the name was, sorry
Here’s hoping it stays sane and corpo free for a long time
Yeah anyone who thinks activityPub is immune to monetization is delusional.
How so, I’m curious. I’m new to this side of things.
This is the first time I’ve seen a Papers Please meme, and it makes me so happy.
I can hear this image
Can you not expand comment images in Jerboa? I can’t read that and I can’t figure out how to make it bigger.
I can’t expand on Jerboa either, but it says
Protocol Violation: improper meme format
While I agree with the worry concerning corporations joining, I don’t really mind “normal” people joining though.
That being said, this is an incorrect use of the meme. The text on the two bottom panels are supposed to stay the same.
Sorry if I’m being pedantic.
No don’t stop. This is the kind of nerd shit I’ve missed!
We sure have arrived at panel 2 indeed. If it works better for your mind consider it a completely new meme template that happens to have the same visual outline, because this meme communicates exactly what I want to communicate :)
I can’t wait to be one of the “I was part of the great Reddit migration” dudes when this lemmy stuff inevitably goes tits up in 15 years.
Jokes on us because in 15 years all the instances alive right now will probably be dead and there will be no proof beyond an archive lol
@[email protected] 15 years
Hadn’t thought about how many people will come back to see their RemindMes on Reddit only to find deleted comments from people that left Reddit nuking their comments.
T̷h̵a̵t̴’̵s̸ ̴w̴h̴y̶ ̸I̸’̵m̶ ̶c̷o̷n̵s̷i̶d̷e̷r̴i̶n̶g̷ ̸r̸e̷p̴l̵a̵c̸i̷n̵g̷ ̶a̴l̵l̸ ̷m̵y̷ ̸R̶e̵d̶d̴i̵t̵ ̴c̵o̴m̸m̴e̴n̶t̷s̸ ̷w̴i̵t̴h̵ ̸g̸l̷i̴t̵c̴h̶ ̴t̸e̷x̷t̵.̸
(I toned it down to be nice, but it can get pretty crazy: https://lingojam.com/GlitchTextGenerator)
Did that bot rely on the API that got restricted?
I don’t remember if the bot would work at all, but I was referring to all the people that used one of those tools to delete their comments or mass edit them to something like “this message has been edited because fuck u/spez” or something like that.
Wow, now that I think about it, it is quite scary. Hope that most instances stay alive
RemindMe! 15 years.
Oh, right, ☹️
@[email protected] 5 minutes look what fedi can do
@can Here is your reminder!
Good too see you again, old buddy!
Make your own bot. With black jack and hookers.
Y’know what, screw the bot.
And that’s how to sex robot industry was created!
Lemmy has been around for a while already, and is open source. It will go tits up like linux didn’t. Unless it get abandoned.
@[email protected] 15 years
@CosmicSploogeDrizzle Ok, I will remind you on Monday Jul 12, 2038 at 2:35 PM PST.
lmao can’t remind me if my instance isn’t up
We’ll be fighting the water wars by 2038 anyway
The neat part is they really can’t fuck it up. You can always run your own instance and defederate from a corporation causing problems. Eventually we’ll be getting the feature to block entire instances too so you won’t have to rely on your admin making that choice either.
Is there a GitHub issue tracking that feature?
They can’t “fuck it up”, but they can shove it back into irrelevancy.
Yes? Have you ever tried shoving something back from being on the internet?
You should ask XMPP how relevant it feels. Or Digg. Twitter? Reddit?
I think all an individual entity can do to push a protocol into irrelevancy, is not using it…
Well that’s easy enough when you have the numbers and the content or you buy it and don’t support it, zucc is trying to do it to twitter right now with threads, reddit did it to digg, reddit did it to reddit, , lemmy is doing it to Reddit, Google did it to XMPP, Microsoft has killed numerous budding technogies by driving them into obscurity, how many examples do you need?
It’s decentralized though. That’s literally the reason I believe in the Fediverse
The Internet was built to be a decentralised network, too.
So companies fucked up the internet, and people had to make a new internet inside the internet. And when companies fuck that up too, we’ll make a new internet inside that one!
That’s why we need to abolish private ownership, all corporations must be collectively owned by the community.
Communism intensifies
China has some pretty cool jets that don’t like totally explode for no reason.
Wait isn’t the fediverse explicitly about private ownership?
In order to screw up Lemmy, corporations would have to take over 1300 or so Instances, scattered in different countries all over the world.
The second they screwed up the most popular Instance(s), folks would just move to other Instances and they could defederate from the corporate ones.
We have more control this time though… When the companies come, we can block them.
I just wouldn’t use a corporate server. This here is more like old internet before the likes of google started to buy everything and consolidate the internet. Running a single server is not the same as a server farm in multiple countries.
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I started on lemme.world but it’s been getting hammered so I made a backup account on lemm.ee Yes when your feed is on local is the server you are on and all is all servers. It gets weirder though because you will also see posts from defederated servers, we can still comment like normal on them too but that server itself that’s defederated the people on that server will not be communicating with the rest of the federation.
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Sort of yes but it’s the communications that change they all can see whats on all servers but their server is only commenting with themselves or whom they are federated with. I’m still new to this as well and I believe this is how it works. But I know there’s something that has to do with the content being a copy across other servers, that part I’m still iffy on lol.
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I’m literally commenting from lemm.ee since we’re federated. It’s like I’m on my spaceship and you are on yours and we opened comms to each other.
Yeah I hate how my personal site on my personal servers is always in mark zuckerbergs hands. Wait what was the question?
Ah shit
Here we go again
Can corporations fuck it up if they want to? Couldn’t we just migrate to a new instance and not federate? Or not federate with them from the beginning?
I’ve already seen it happen with a company creating an account to plug their meal plan site, same thing that has been happening on reddit since it started. Just don’t trust any account thats trying to sell you something.
Corporation owns reddit, owns twitter, owns meta, owns twitch and youtube.
Corporation cant own fediverse. Corporate interests could take over lemmy.world, or any other instance, but that doesnt give them the fediverse. They can block outside users from coming in, they can block inside users from going out, but they cant block outside users from eachother
It’s not that simple, take a look at this article: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Google was only able to do that because XMPP’s userbase was practically nonexistent by the time they pulled the plug. Google Talk had become such a hegemon that the overwhelming majority of XMPP interactions were between Google Talk users. Google had the option to keep tying themselves to a protocol that they don’t own to support access to a very small amount of users or develop their own system that they could do whatever they want with. Lemmy and Mastodon do not have that issue. Regardless of what Facebook does with Threads, Mastodon has millions of users and Lemmy reached over 300k. The majority of their users are unlikely to migrate their accounts over just to sell their souls to the Zucc. There is enough activity on Lemmy and Mastodon that many Threads users may make seperate accounts here should Threads eventually defederate, while the users of Lemmy and Mastodon simply go back to an existence without Facebook’s meddling. There’s not a situation where Threads can destroy Lemmy or Mastodon like there was with XMPP
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I wonder if it is possible to add a feature to migrate your user account from one instance to another instance.
Put in some sanity checks, like minimum time on instance etc, optional application requirements.
Do we really want normies on our site? Will they really act as bait for the megacorps to come and ruin our federation?
They’re already here as evidenced by OP using the meme wrong.
