Telegram To Disclose Phones, IP Addresses At Authorities' Requests
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Telegram will disclose users' phones and IP addresses to authorities at their requests, the messengers' founder and CEO Pavel Durov said on September 23.
    • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.mlEnglish
      172·
      3 months ago

      It’s like I always say, violence and torture work so well you don’t even have to do them in the first place. Just saying you will unless they comply is enough. That’s why we’re the good guys.

  • Gork@lemm.eeEnglish
    67·
    3 months ago

    Durov – who has citizenship in France as well as Russia, the United Arab Emirates, and the Caribbean archipelago of St. Kitts and Nevis

    How can someone have four simultaneous citizenships?

    Is it money? Gotta be money.

    • PerogiBoi@lemmy.caEnglish
      331·
      3 months ago

      In Canada and New Zealand you can literally buy citizenship. You just need the funds. It’s a real and legitimate process.

      • Gork@lemm.eeEnglish
        131·
        3 months ago

        I wonder if anyone rich enough has decided on undertaking the quest to get and hold as many citizenships as possible.

        There’d probably be difficulty though getting simultaneous citizenships for North Korea / South Korea citizenship, Russia / Ukraine, or Republic of China / People’s Republic of China.

        • Teils13@lemmy.eco.brEnglish
          8·
          3 months ago

          The most i could find on the web was this lawyers non-named client, who has 8 citizenships (“octa-citizen” has passports from Canada, UK, Ireland, Belize, Grenada, Dominica, St. Kitts, and Cape Verde), after renouncing his original USA one (and he apparently did it to not pay taxes).

          • orrk@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            3 months ago

            ya, the US is the only nation that will tax any money you make even if you don’t live in the US or work in the US

      • TrippaSnippa@lemm.eeEnglish
        10·
        3 months ago

        In Australia you can buy permanent residency, which is then a pathway to citizenship.

    • linearchaos@lemmy.worldEnglish
      171·
      3 months ago

      Oh hell yeah it’s money. It’s called economic citizenship and there are plenty of countries out there that are willing to let you buy in with ownership of properties and business.

      There are only a handful of countries out there that don’t allow dual citizenship.

    • 0000011110110111i@lemm.eeEnglish
      13·
      3 months ago

      How can someone have four simultaneous citizenships?

      My kids are entitled to 5 citizenships. 2 from me and 3 from their mum.

    • Frostbeard@lemmy.worldEnglish
      121·
      3 months ago

      I only use Telegram for my Warhammer 40k group…Authorities seizing that will get them years of mindless chatter about the Emperor, memes and battle reports. Fuck they will pay us to leave Telegram

    • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
      101·
      3 months ago

      How can someone have four simultaneous citizenships?

      Most countries let you have multiple citizenships. Unless a country restricts you from doing so, you can have as many as you want.

    • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      351·
      3 months ago

      And if they had implented that to begin with and used servers that kept no logs he wouldn’t have had anything of value to hand over and they would have had to release him since he physically could not provide those things.

      He built the damn situation for himself, and the fact that such issues weren’t considered practically screams “honeypot.”

      • brbposting@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        11·
        3 months ago

        they would have had to release him

        Maybe we could say he wouldn’t be in this situation because he could’ve responded to every request his company got and they could’ve provided all of the zero logs they had.

        I believe Telegram just wasn’t cooperating at all which is wild! Such a Musk thing to do.

    • mox@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      8·
      3 months ago

      Just keep in mind that any service that asks for a phone number can also disclose it.

      I hope what leaves the Signal client is a hash of your phone number, rather than the number itself. They might even be using salts and expensive-to-execute key derivation functions, to mitigate brute force searches (which are otherwise easy given the relatively small search space of phone numbers). But if compelled, it would be trivial for Signal to change that behavior.

    • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
      118·
      3 months ago

      I also don’t trust Signal… And I won’t gonna switch a 4th time. I might as well switch to Matrix chat now.

        • kevincox@lemmy.mlEnglish
          101·
          3 months ago

          That is a pretty weak argument. The issues are minor and in a library that people are moving off of to a better build and stronger validated library. Yes, it should have been like that in the first place, but the problem is minor and being addressed.

          I would look more to the various features of Matrix that aren’t encrypted like room names, topics, reactions, … and not to mention the oodles of unencrypted metadata. I really wouldn’t call Matrix a high-privacy system.

          I like Matrix and use it regularly, but it definitely doesn’t have a privacy-first mindset like Signal does. I’m hoping that this improves over time, but without a strong privacy first leadership it seems unlikely to happen.

      • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
        10·
        3 months ago

        I also don’t trust Signal…

        …why?

        I might as well switch to Matrix chat now.

        Man, Simplex seems to check all the boxes for me…

        • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
          4·
          3 months ago

          …why?

          While it might be secure… I’m done with centralized services… If I can’t host it myself, I won’t bother switching anymore.

          I don’t know Simplex chat very well… But that seems also good… As long as you can have encryption and run your own server. It’s not that I have anything to hide, but at the same time I’m tired of the infiltration of all states (which now also include EU).

          EDIT: They need to change their name. The first results you get in search engines are this: https://www.simplex.com/ followed by (Dutch): https://simplex.nl/

        • kevincox@lemmy.mlEnglish
          31·
          3 months ago

          Simplex doesn’t support mutli-device. That’s a deal breaker for me. I do 90% of my messaging at my desktop but also want to be able to chat on the go. Using my laptop on the couch is also fairly convenient.

          • mox@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
            41·
            3 months ago

            SimpleX also loses messages if you don’t pick them up in time. Going on vacation for a few weeks could be problematic, for example.

            • mox@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              31·
              3 months ago

              No, it does not. The closest it comes is allowing a PC to take control of a mobile client on the same local network. That might be a convenient way to type with a full-sized keyboard if you have both devices in the same place, but it is not what people mean when talking about multi-device support.

              GP wants the ability to use their account from multiple devices independently. From different locations, not tethered on a LAN. With shared message history, notifications, unread state, identity, etc. That’s what multi-device support means in the context of messaging services.

              • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
                24·
                3 months ago

                Device 1: PC Device 2: Phone

                How many devices is that? 2? Sounds like multiple devices to me 🤷‍♂️

                • Encrypt-Keeper@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  42·
                  3 months ago

                  2 devices that can’t function independently. That would make it functionally one device. You’re just splitting hairs now.

              • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
                3·
                3 months ago

                The only information that I have is that I personally use it on multiple devices, and I didn’t invent it, I just downloaded the software provided by SimpleX.

          • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            5·
            3 months ago

            There’s also SimpleX chat and Briar, but I’ve used both of those less than Matrix. They seem to be aiming to solve the last few issues that Matrix has, like usernames and metadata leakage.

            I consider Matrix to be closer to an “Enterprise” solution, like what a business or government or non-profit would use for secure communications (literally both French and German governments use Matrix), while SimpleX/Briar seem much more aimed at individuals just wanting control over their personal conversations.

    • Lucy :3@feddit.orgEnglish
      58·
      3 months ago

      Anyone who used Telegram as a private communications channel in the first place is an idiot.

      • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
        6·
        3 months ago

        Which is not a good thing… Even if you don’t agree with some of the current demonstrations… The moment you are in situation you also need to demonstrate against the state, you won’t be able to… By then, we are all doomed.

      • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
        5·
        3 months ago

        No!! I don’t go for signal. That is a centralized alternative. And I’m indeed trying to avoid to migrate again!

        Maybe Matrix… Or maybe Simplex sounds better…

  • Yuzuki@lemmy.kikuri.moeEnglish
    1·
    3 months ago

    People who signed up on Telegram were set up to fail right from the get go. It doesn’t feature default E2EE, it’s not private, it’s not secure… but there were plenty of users on there looking to buy whatever dark net goods and services you can offer. It’s completely stupid when there are much better alternatives out there, but people go wherever other people are, just moving as a herd instead of a lone wolf. With everything that has happened over the last years, including the arrest of the Tornado Cash and Samourai Wallet devs, it’s clear that it’s no longer possible to resist the government in any way out in the open anymore.