lol
lmao, even
Just build a fucking train, it’s stupid that Denmark doesn’t just have rail everywhere. DSB is a joke. Banedanmark is underfunded. Light rail doesn’t go anywhere useful unless you live in Copenhagen. Intercity is way too expensive to matter unless you get discount tickets a month in advance. IC trains are so frequently not-running that it’s become a major point in my buddys argument for working from home.
Come to BC. We have trains from Vancouver going to Seattle and Portland(via US run Amtrak(70-100$ US), a transit train from Mission to Vancouver and back, once a day each way(5-15$ depending on distance) and a 3000$ a ticket train going to Jasper, Alberta from Vancouver BC and back.
Yaaay Conservatives. Thanks for ruining passenger rail.
hmmm… surprising, US has similar issues for unsurprising reasons.
It’s probably the exact same reasons, actually.
DSB is a joke, Banedanmark is a myth we are all controlled by something greater, TRAINS DNA of public infastructure
But in Merica Cars are democracy, Denmark shoils build an 80 lane highway
USA! USA! USA!
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IDK if size really matters here. Connecting Chicago to Milwaukee (100mi) with HSR probably makes sense
there are many others too:
Chicago-Indianapolis (200mi)
Chicago-St Louis (300mi)
Chicago-Pittsburgh (500mi)
so many good connections
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passengers can’t ride freight rail tho
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I think size should matter more.
In USA/Canada we end up with population pimples with little in between. This is perfect for HSR, since there are very few required stations between primary cities.
Ottawa-Montréal, for example, is ~200km apart with no major centers in between, so an HSR can cross that distance with no stops
Toronto-Montréal is ~550km apart, with one possible stop in Kingston if the train splits for Ottawa. Again an HSR could make great time here. With the TGV’s 270kph station-station time, it would be 2 hours, slightly faster than flying + security (2h10-2h30) and less than half the driving time.
I’m knot as knowledgable about US geography, but I’m positive there and many city pairs like this on the east and west coasts.
This is perfect for travel but not passenger load which is what makes a transport system economical. Rail costs several million dollars per kilometre, so a Toronto to Montreal would cost at least 500 million, closer to a few billion. And if it travels through low density land you won’t be getting many additional passengers except those that actually live in Toronto and Montreal. This is why HSR is in densely populated areas like France or Japan, or China. There is an actual large passenger load that makes the investment worthwhile. An even easier-to-see example is that city driving is much slower than on highways, if point-to-point travel time was really the function of public transit then intercity travel would be prioritised not the much larger and more economical street stops that every public transit system uses.
so a Toronto to Montreal would cost at least 500 million, closer to a few billion
$3 billion on 1.7km of Gardener Expressway repair. $3.6 billion for Turcot interchange replacement. No one bats an eye at those costs.
passenger load which is what makes a transport system economical
Toronto-Montréal is the busiest domestic flight route, followed by Toronto-Ottawa. Add Chicago and New York to capture the two busiest routes between the two countries (both in the top 20 international flights). Plus however many bus, train, and drive.
Edit: just plugged 15 Nov into Google flights; there are 46 flights from Toronto to Montreal that day (Pearson and Island combined).
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Hydrogen never really made sense for cars, the infrastructure and storage is too expensive. But I wonder if it’d work for trains that haven’t been fully electrified with overhead cables yet. You’d need much less infrastructure at just a few locations.
Nope. They tried hydrogen trains in Germany and are not buying more of them.
How do battery operated work? Are they short rage trains? Or do they have like a car full of batteries? And how do recharge times work? Can they recharge just in the stations? If it works for them, great. And it sounds like it is. It just seemed like there were several problems.
Battery locomotives don’t have enough range to be useful solo, but they’re a handy to add on to an existing train to give it regenerative braking and improve it’s efficiency.
You want practically zero emissions train, you build overhead catenary wires. But that’s decades old tech that just works, it’s not sexy futuristic stuff.
Hear me out… SOLAR FREAKIN RAILWAYS
I don’t know, have you seen those wires above the rails? They always look sexy and futuristic to me, especially the high speed rail ones 🥵
I was saying it seems to make sense to use hydrogen as an intermediate step before you can put in all the infrastructure for overhead wires. If Germany is just using electric engines plus diesel engines now, instead of hydrogen engines, then there’s still emitting a whole lot more than they would otherwise. Even if it is cheaper.
There’s no way Hydrogen in Germany would be more green than diesel. It’d just be greenwashing. You’d need to make electricity to make hydrogen, store it and transport it, then turn it back into electricity (that’s how a hydrogen engine works, not by burning it). In the mean time, Germany is increasing it’s production of dirty energy, so the hydrogen production would have to be done with dirty energy. There’s no way that process is more efficient than just using diesel directly.
It might be better somewhere else, but not in Germany.
You don’t need to use the standard grid energy. You can use off peak power rates in areas with a lot of wind, so it’d use the otherwise unusable energy. Or you could disconnect from the grid entirely. But the power source is absolutely a concern.
What would the co2 trade off look like between diesel and hydrogen? Diesel you’d have a constant co2 per mile, whereas hydrogen would have higher kwh efficiency, but high conversion inefficiency, then some percentage of the energy emits co2 at a certain rate. I don’t have time to crunch the numbers now, but I would be surprised if hydrogen was more ghg intensive.
Or you could disconnect from the grid entirely.
The off peak usage, sure. This though? How would that be green? You could spend the same money to install solar, wind, whatever and take dirty energy off the grid. That’s the point is you need to use energy to make it, when instead that energy could remove dirty energy. It’s greenwashing. It’s not removing demand for dirty energy, its just increasing overall energy demand.
Irish Rail is trying this. There was an article posted about it yesterday!
Other than ideas like synfuels, it is the only thing that makes sense for cars. People are just falling prey to BEV propaganda. You don’t want unsustainable mining and a >400kg battery pack in every car. It is the big act of greenwashing today, and green transportation won’t happen until BEVs are abandoned or scaled way back.
Unsustainable from a co2 standpoint, ecological damage, or human rights and damage standpoint? I think we’re probably thinking about different sorts of sustainability.
If you mean the cost of battery mining/production, it’s all three. We currently can’t even make batteries without vast amounts of fossil fuels. And due to many factors like long-duration energy storage problems, BEVs can’t reach net zero without hydrogen anyways.
I’m from Denmark and I’ve never even heard there were Hydrogen cars around here.
Edit: but then again, I don’t drive a car, so maybe Im just not the target audience.
Big L for them.
