• Tinidril@midwest.social
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    16 days ago

    This is true, but only because every President since FDR did damage to the working class. Biden was absolutely a breath of fresh air, and it’s unfortunate that neither he nor Kamala were loud enough about it.

    With the campaign Kamala ran, it would surprise the hell out of me if most voters understood the good that Biden did. To average people, it makes no difference to them that inflation is back to normal when the price impacts don’t go away. It was campaign malpractice to try and sit on past accomplishments without offering new initiatives to make things better.

    What Kamala offered was too little, too complicated, and too quiet. All voters heard was that she would be the same as Biden, and that CEOs and neocon warmongers love her.

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      15 days ago

      To average people, it makes no difference to them that inflation is back to normal when the price impacts don’t go away.

      The price impacts were never going to go away! It infuriates me that people were dumb enough to believe this! It’s not how economics works and it’s not something the government can control!!!

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        15 days ago

        It’s totally irrelevant whether or not these voters understand the underlying economics. What they know is that they can’t afford to make a car payment and buy groceries anymore, and they know that the Democratic messaging is totally inadequate and out of touch. If your political strategy requires voters to understand the underlying economics realities, then you damn well better be telling them what they should know.

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          13 days ago

          What IS relevant is that the public couldn’t tell Trump and the Republicans were lying to them. It’s easy to tell people what they want to hear if you never intend to follow through.

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            13 days ago

            Relevant to what? Kamala is running around with neocon warmongers and trying gaslight everyone about an ongoing genocide.

            Generally speaking, most lies in politics aren’t disingenuous campaign promises. Trump is a special boy, but Republicans and Democrats are both usually pretty good at actually trying to fulfill campaign promises. The actual lies are mostly gaslighting about the motivations and ultimate aims of those policies. Republicans run on tax cuts and deregulation, and that’s exactly what they do in office. Trump actually does hate black and brown people and really plans to do mass deportations and insane tariffs.

            Every interview with Harris felt like a stump speech. It was all carefully parsed corporate language that said almost nothing and came across as completely disingenuous. Meanwhile, Trump went off the cuff (and arguably the rails) in every interview, and that just codes as being more genuine.

            That’s the disease if Democratic political consultancy. They parse up the demographics, figure out what each group does or doesn’t want to hear, then compute the perfect path to victory. It sounds reasonable, but requires extreme message discipline to pull off. The problem is that very few politicians can pull that off without coming off as manipulative. Obama was one of the few that could pull it off. Biden came close. Kamala wasn’t even in the right ballpark.

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              13 days ago

              I don’t think the Democratic candidate mattered at all. Trump is a psychopath. Any sane adult should have beaten him. Harris wasn’t any different than Biden and he beat Trump. Something else happened. Misinformation, foreign interference, and disenfranchisement lost the election.

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                13 days ago

                I agree, but I also think the Democrats could have run a candidate that did matter. Harris was just another useless establishment clone.

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        15 days ago

        If you’re not happy that the price of everything went up while your wages didn’t, you’re stupid as fuck and you don’t know how anything works! Vote for us, moron!

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          13 days ago

          If you didn’t realize that things were worse in every other modernized nation and that US policy avoided this, then you are pretty ignorant.

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              13 days ago

              It simply isn’t realistic to expect a golden pony when the economy was mostly shut down for the past year and change.

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                  12 days ago

                  All I’m saying is people need to have realistic expectations. Nobody could magically reverse things so it’s like Covid never happened and lower prices on top of that.

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                    12 days ago

                    No. You’re saying that people who can’t afford groceries should be ecstatic about being lied to that they’re doing fine.

                    And then belittling anyone who says that things ain’t as great as you’re claiming by pretending that they’re expecting the impossible when they just want their own party to accept the reality that they’re not doing well. Which I guess since that party is Democrats, is asking the impossible. After all, everything’s perfect at all times when Democrats are in office and if your lying pocketbook tells you otherwise, it’s only because you want Trump to win.

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        14 days ago

        Sorry you’re infuriated at the realities of life.

        I remember what George Carlin used to say.

        “Think of how stupid the average person is. Now, half the people are stupider than that.”