The Israeli government has not confirmed the specific claim that Hamas attackers beheaded babies during the attack on Saturday, contradicting an earlier statement by the Prime Minister’s office. An Israeli official stated that while there have been cases of Hamas militants committing brutal acts, they cannot confirm the identity of the victims, such as whether they were children, soldiers, or civilians. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had indicated the beheadings occurred, but his office later released photos showing burned bodies without specifying their ages. Explosive allegations about decapitated children emerged earlier in Israeli media, and the Israel Defense Forces described the scene as a “massacre.” However, Hamas denied the allegations, and CNN could not independently verify the claims.
‘Cause it didn’t happen. Hamas did horrendous shit, but this wasn’t one of them. Why lie? Propaganda.
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That’s because it was just something said by an angry soldier who’d just finished clearing out his area. It didn’t actually pick up steam right away, however gradually it did. Really didn’t help when Biden repeated it.
This despicably evil person “Nicole Zedeck of Israeli i24 news” is the one that spread the false propaganda of 40 baby beheading.
A lot of people are arguing over specifics of who said what, which random social media post included what, what might have happened, etc.
The point that’s being missed is that spreading unconfirmed information as fact is wrong, and it’s not ok to use it to justify other atrocities.
All the innocent people harmed in this conflict deserve justice, and that information will only come with time and proper investigation. There’s no benefit in running with a report right off the bat, and we should be cautious about any leader / news agency doing that because there ARE groups here trying to take advantage of a crisis.
This isn’t specific to any side with this conflict, nor is it with this conflict in particular
and that will only come with time and proper investigation
I’m not gonna hold my breath.
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We’ll likely know what happened with time and proper investigation and while I hope for justice, I agree that there’s a precedent of that not happening.
Truth is the first casualty of Zionism
I honestly never really understood the term Zionism I looked it up and got:
n 1: a policy for establishing and developing a national homeland for Jews in PalestineSo does that mean an anti-Zionist doesn’t want Israel to exist, where a Zionist says Israel should exist?
Just like “communist” states don’t actually practice communism, the term “Zionist” has become conflated with Israeli colonialism in Palestine. The dictionary definition no longer matches the common usage of the word.
Seems that there should be pretty clear definitions when lobbing bombs, literally or metaphorically, at each other. I’ll just continue to stay away from the term I guess.
Probably best. Many of these -ism terms become so overloaded with various meanings they can be used to mean whatever. Better to express yourself unambiguously.
“Genocide” is weirdly a simultaneously less loaded and more powerful word, and that’s what’s happening, so that’s what I’d use.
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Once again, morphology takes a hit from the semi-literate and reactive masses, not unlike “literally”, “decimate”, “low-key”, et al. 🤷🏼♂️
Depending on how Zionist you are, all of Palestine belonging to Jews becomes a thing. You can see why people would oppose that.
Pretty much. Zionist believe that Jews should have their own homeland, and that homeland should be Israel. Anti-zionists would argue they either shouldn’t have Israel, or shouldn’t have a homeland at all depending on how far down the rabbit hole they’ve gone.
“Antizionism” is a made-up term to mask one’s antisemitism. An antisemite cannot today say that they want Jewish people to cease to exist, they’d love to be able to say it but they just can’t, so he/she will instead adopt another banner that’s being made more and more acceptable by mainstream media: “antizionism”. It’s technically less “extreme” (in the sense that it doesn’t target an entire ethnicity anymore, at least on paper), but it’s still evil and it’s basically saying that either 1- Israel should be destroyed or 2- Israel should cease to exist by making all Israelis leave their country. It’s the tankies’ favorite term too.
It’s one of many disgusting play with words that mainstream media is feeding us with. Just like we are made to say “pro-life” instead of simply “antiabortionist”, because words have power. When those people are saying that they’re “pro-life” they start feeling good about themselves, and they don’t feel like they are taking something away from someone, unlike “antiabortionist”, while both actually mean the same. That’s exactly the same with “antizionism” and antisemitism.
So Jewish anti-Zionists are just self-hating antisemites then? Would you rather people call themselves ‘anti-Israel?’ I can support the Jewish people and also believe that it was wrong to unilaterally force a people out of their home, force them into small territories and bomb them for decades.
2- Israel should cease to exist by making all Israelis leave their country
Why is the only solution a mass displacement or genocide? ‘Zion’ and ‘Israel’ are constructs, like all nation-states, a new political paradigm can be created without another Nakba or Holocaust.
Why is the only solution a mass displacement or genocide?
Because people who argue in bad faith love to create false dichotomies.
Where do you stand on apartheid and nationalism?
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That’s suspiciously specific. I bet that happened.
What?
The balloons filled with piss. It’s too bizarre not to be real. Gotta be messy though. I know Israeli kids throw trash at Palestinians on the West Bank, so they have to put nets up. I imagine piss balloons are a possibility.
Did you just make that up? Or do you have a source for that screed?
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https://www.dictionary.com/browse/zionist :
Zionism
noun
- a worldwide Jewish movement that resulted in the establishment and development of the state of Israel and that now supports the state of Israel as a Jewish homeland.
Also, Zion is a biblical term for both Israel and Jerusalem.
What do you think “innocently” adding the “anti” prefix does?
Just because you think it was a bad idea for the UN to drop a group among an already established population that didn’t ask for it, and force them from their land (Nakba ) that they’d been on for generations; doesn’t make you anti-Semitic.
You are correct, Zionism is by definition a nationalist ideology.
Well, well.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu indicated that people had been beheaded by Hamas in an appearance beside Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Thursday, but did not specify if they were children.
In a roundtable with Jewish community leaders on Wednesday, he said: “I have been doing this a long time, I never really thought that I would see… have confirmed pictures of terrorist beheading children.”
They instead likened Hamas’ brutality to that of ISIS, the Sunni terror group that beheaded captives and burned prisoners alive.
Videos posted online verified by CNN show women who were attending the music festival targeted by the group’s gunmen being kidnapped.
CNN has pored through hundreds of hours of media posted online attempting to corroborate accounts of atrocities committed by Hamas.
In one video, which CNN determined to be authentic but has not been able to geolocate, an assailant attacks an injured man with a garden tool in an attempt to behead him.
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phew, they just shoot and burn the babies, i was scared for a sec
This doesn’t make sense. Biden said he has seen the pictures on national TV. How did he see pictures if there isn’t proof?
Because he misremembered or misspoke. His staff later clarified that he didn’t see the pictures.
Something this important, if you are so old you can’t remember, you need to step down. If it is something else, that is worse.
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Your comment doesn’t make sense. He didn’t say he was told, he said he saw it and he never thought he would ever see anything like that. He said he saw a picture of 40 beheaded babies. That made the US people want to go to war. Regarding pixels, I never said anything like that, but I will say now that you brought it up, my expectation for Ned from Deluth and the president of the US are different. Regular people wouldn’t look that close, but we absolutely should have people going to the pixel to make sure this isn’t AI. Why would you expect less when war is the discussion.
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Israeli forces kill babies too. What’s your point? Civilians die in war.
Which is why this entire thing is fucked up on all sides.
You’ve completely moved the goal posts from the original point. The person you’re responding to is trying to explain how it could be believed that Hamas decapitated babies. They have a history of beheadings, and there were images of babies with burned corpses and bloody sheets. Given that information, it’s not a far leap to see those pictures and thinking you saw a beheaded baby.
Israeli forces kill babies too. That’s a fact, but it doesn’t have anything to do with Biden thinking he saw pictures of beheaded babies.
Have the allegations you’re describing been confirmed? There are a lot of rumors flying right now and it’s hard to tell what’s true.
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Fuck Trump… but he said that Biden is hoped up on drugs because he is so old, and Trump might be right.
Biden has a long history of stumbling on his words. People read way too far into this because they want to find a reason to dislike Biden. That’s all it is.
It’s pretty much an admission that he himself is on drugs because he is so old.
It’s always projection, they can’t help but accuse others of doing what they themselves are guilty of.
you may be right.
Absolutely always as far as I can tell.
Biden never saw fuck all.
White House retracted President Joe Biden’s statement in which he claimed to have seen images of beheaded children in the aftermath of a Hamas attack on Israel.
This is just a third hand hearsay by me - but someone claimed in the comments of another posts that he had a friend that had to experience the terror attack in the Bataclan. He explained that the first information that came out, was about certain atrocities that were committed. Later official sources denied that those atrocities happened. His first hand source on the other hand however confirmed that the first Informations were correct and didn’t even scratch the surface.
Why did the Government change the story? I don’t know exactly, but I personally think that they might have done it to limit psychological damage.
Those first person murder movies by Hamas are released for this exact reason - to inflict the maximum possible psychological damage and make peace impossible for generations to come.
Argument from Anecdote. Read it. Learn it. Got it? Good.
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HOW DAR YOU SAY FREE PALESTINE?! That is antisemitic!
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If you raise a Palestinian flag in the west you are a terrorist. Fuck this world.
Yeah sun yourself in your „righteous“ outrage - Hamas did Palestine no favor by committing those horrendous crimes. People that pretty much formerly unequivocally supported the Palestinian cause, like myself, were turned away by this. There is no easy comeback from this - and people like you only make it worse for the Palestinians… just because you behave like self righteous assholes.
“Terrorists did terror so let’s do genocide”
That’s what you sound like.
You are turned away from the Palestinian cause because of this? What is the ‘Palestinian cause’ to you? You are saying you support the view that an entire population should be eradicated or forced from their homes, because a group of militants among their population of millions committed acts of terror.
I do not believe that you “pretty much unequivocally supported the Palestinian cause.”
Ya. My parents swore up and down that they knew someone from the next town over who worked at a school district where they were installing litter boxes for furries. Surprise, they didn’t because it never happened. Outrageous claims need real proof. Something so inflammatory to influence opinion like this needs 100% verifiable proof.
cool story, bro.
I said that I got it from someone else’s comment- what is so hard to understand about that?
Feeling edgy in general, huh? Maybe you should masturbate more to get a hold of your obvious anger problems.
Hey, I read another guys comment that he had this friend that was abducted by aliens this one time at bandcamp, and he was pegged by totally hit alien babes in their UFO.
Aliens totally exist!
Right?
Oh I get it you support Israeli genocide, noted.
Everyone outside of your narrow mind can see that you are spreading only things that fit your agenda and prejudices.
You are so busy pretending that Israelis are Demons, that you cannot see what a sad and unempathetic Person you are, while doing so. Demonizing other people, demonizes yourself. You have no soul anymore. You have lost your empathy for ANYONE outside your narrow peer group.
Either the Mossad’s competence is under a serious question, which we know is not the case, or the deliberate neglect of a billion-dollar prison fence, leading to multiple breaches by Hamas, and uninterpreted, suggests a premeditated action by the Israeli Mossad.
At this juncture, it’s becoming increasingly plausible that there might be a strategy to cause further destruction in Gaza, followed by a calculated humanitarian agreement allowing Palestinians temporary access to enter Egypt from Rafah, ultimately resulting in the appropriation of Gaza’s land by Israel, as true to tradition.
The extensive military support sent by the U.S. in response to Israel’s actions in Gaza appears highly unusual, given the frequency of such incidents in the past without a similar level of support.
