White is not the only high-level cyclist to die in Colorado in recent years. In 2020, Clif Pro Team racer Ben Sonntag was killed by a driver while on a training ride outside Durango. That driver was sentenced to serve jail time in late 2021. In 2021, U.S. masters champion Gwen Inglis was killed by a driver outside Lakewood, Colorado.
Very sad :( Also, what’s going on with the other deaths in Colorado? A matter of more cycling in the area therefore more accidents?
It’s indeed a tragic situation. The deaths in Colorado might be related to the fact that the area is a popular training location for cyclists, particularly because of the high elevation, which can be beneficial for training the body to perform under lower oxygen conditions. This could lead to a higher number of cyclists on the roads, and subsequently, a greater risk of accidents.
Yeah, that’s what I figured.
Lots of cyclists and bad to nonexistent cycling infrastructure in many areas.
I assume Colorado simply had a disproportionate number of cyclists on it’s roads. High altitude and good weather make it a great training ground for endurance athletes. It isn’t a coincidence that USA Cycling headquarters and the US Olympic Team’s main training center are both in Colorado Springs.
The bicyclists ride on the road with cars, not bike paths and trails. If they did that, they wouldn’t die, but they don’t want to.
We’d do that it’s there were bike paths. If cars didn’t run over cyclists cyclists also wouldn’t die
Can’t we agree that cycling on roads is poor judgement?
I totally get it. We should all have the right to cycle on the side of the road without getting hit by cars. I feel like we are all entitled to that.
Reality tho is that cycling on a road with no shoulder with cars whipping past at fatal speeds is a bad idea. Any time you do it you’re putting yourself at great risk. When you consider how many drunk and bad drivers out there you are taking a massive risk.
It seems that cyclists either don’t comprehend the level of danger it is, or they just think that it won’t happen to them. Either way I look at that as poor judgement.
I understand that a lot of areas don’t have infrastructure to support cyclists but you also need to understand that if you’re going to be super stubborn and do it anyway, then you’re putting your life on the line. Is it really worth it?
You are trying to blame the victims, and that’s not fair.
People in cars also die on roads, so we can agree that cars are the problem.
Also, these are pro level cyclists who can’t train on bike paths.
Roads should be safe, and it’s not cyclists who are making it unsafe, it’s the cars. We need to find solutions that don’t punish victims.
I’m not explicitly trying to blame anyone.
All I am saying is that it’s extremely dangerous. Is it really that hard for you all to actually see how dangerous it is?
You’re arguing about how things SHOULD be. I am talking about how things actually are.
I agree that biking on a road should be safe. The reality is it isn’t.
So I am just trying to understand. Do you all bike on busy dangerous roads because you have the expectation no one will hit you, or do you just not consider how dangerous it is?
So I am just trying to understand. Do you all bike on busy dangerous roads because you have the expectation no one will hit you, or do you just not consider how dangerous it is?
Unfortunately, many of these crashes happen on NOT BUSY roads, like out in farm country and rural roads. Cyclists choose these roads specifically to be away from cars and “dangerous roads”, but drivers who speed or aren’t paying attention will kill you no matter where you ride!
Riding in a large group can help to reduce risks, but it’s not even an option for everyone, especially if you are commuting. And even that can simply result in multiple fatalities or injuries when an inattentive driver is close by.
Without any alternatives, except to ride on a road, what other option would a cyclist have? Not ride?
Build cycling infrastructure and it becomes safer. Remove cars and it’s guaranteed to be safe.
And when you consider that the majority of cycling (and pedestrian) fatalities occur in areas where cyclists and pedestrians are expected to be, including bike lanes or crosswalks, you really can’t keep blaming them for causing their own deaths.
It sounds like you agree that cycling is extremely dangerous and that most fatalities happen in places where it’s expected that there are lots of cyclists.
You have to admit that if it’s well known that cars are unsafe then cycling near them is also unsafe.
Why is it that cyclists don’t have to consider their safety just because they are cycling?
People driving cars should also be considering their safety and what’s at risk to them if they decide to drive a car.
You’re responsible for own safety at the end of the day and making a decision to do something very dangerous comes with risks. It’s a risk factor like anything else. It just happens to be extremely dangerous and it seems like most people who make the decision to cycle on roads aren’t considering it, because if they did consider the actual risks I’d imagine less people would do it.
As far as what do you do? Honestly I don’t know but if your decision is to say fuck it and do it anyway then your decision shouldn’t be taken lightly. You’re risking a lot by doing so.
I can’t drive my car safely on a road with obstacles so the obstacles that have a right to use the road shouldn’t otherwise I’ll kill them and it’s their fault because they accepted the risk of being near my murderous intent
Is an incredibly stupid take on why all obstacles should be removed. Maybe learn how not to hit things that are in the road? Do you hit a motorcyclist? Do you hit other cars? It’s that you are too entitled to slow the fuck down for one minute to safely navigate around an obstacle even when it means taking a human life.
We have the right to ride down the middle of the god damn road in Colorado. The road is not infrastructure intended ONLY for cars, that is just the way impatient people in cars view roads.
No one is arguing about your right to cycle down the road. No one is arguing about how it should be a safe activity.
All I am saying is that people driving cars are dangerous. I wish people were safer. The reality is they aren’t.
Why do you throw caution to the wind when you know people are dangerous and irresponsible?
We should have the expectation that people driving vehicles do so safely. We should have the expectation that people driving vehicles will do so responsibly around cyclists. Expectation is not reality unfortunately. No matter what your expectations are there will still be assholes driving vehicles. No matter what your expectations are it’s still a massive risk to cycle along busy roads. That’s a reality any cyclist needs to accept no matter what their expectations are. But you’d rather lash out at me.
You sound angry but you’re angry with the wrong person.
Just read some more about this accident, the road apparently had a shoulder and he was also riding on it.
No, driving cars is poor judgement.
Just how out of touch do you to be to post this in a fucking cycling forum. I dare not check the comment history of this specimen.
I know, how dare me suggest to people that they ride their bike literally anywhere else than a busy road with cars driving by.
Why are all of you cyclists completely brain dead?
Community Rules
- Be respectful. Everyone should feel welcome here.
You follow the rules as well as the typical motorist I encounter on the road.
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Cycling on the road IS NOT DANGEROUS.
So then why are so many cyclists dying every year from getting hit by cars? If it’s perfectly safe, then no one should be dying.
Stop trying to convince me that cycling on the road isn’t dangerous. We all know we aren’t talking about cycling taken by itself in a vacuum. We all know the reason cycling is dangerous is due to the unpredictable and dangerous vehicles that are driving by.
The only way you’ll make the argument that cycling on roads is safe is if there are no cars around, and that cars are banned.
I am all for banning cars. But guess what, currently they aren’t. Therefore if you want to cycle on a road, you have to deal with the fact that cars will be driving by, and that’s the entire basis behind why cycling on roads IS A BAD IDEA.
The problem with you cyclists is that you just cannot connect the dots. Quite frankly, you just don’t give a fuck how dangerous it is, and you’ll do anything to convince yourself and others that it isn’t a dumb idea so you can keep doing what you’re doing without having to change your behavior.
This thread continues to demonstrate how poor your judgement is.
Despite the tragically high number of totally unnecessary deaths, cycling is still a safe activity. Cycling on roads is a safe activity. The physical benefits of cycling massively outweigh the risks, even if you don’t wear a helmet and cycle in the middle of the road. Cycling adds years to your life, it doesn’t take them away. Your sophistry and concern trolling are just so fucking transparent.
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I used to be the type of person who would be quite anal about “no cycling on sidewalks!”.
But after being a cyclist for the past year, I fully support cyclists using the sidewalk when the roads aren’t safe enough.
Those sidewalks often don’t have pedestrians on them anyway, since they are in very car-centric (or truck-centric!) areas.
Cyclists die much more often per km cycled on the sidewalk compared to the road.
Yes, it’s more dangerous to ride on sidewalks ordinarily.
But much safer to be on a sidewalk than, for example, an underpass with no shoulder and trailers flying by.
It’s the lesser of two evils.
In the road cycling meccas in france and italy there are no shoulders on the road. Not sure how many fatal incidents they have. Saying it’s poor judgement to ride a bike on a road without shoulder seems kinda odd to me though. Narrow mountainous roads are my favorites really.
Cycling on roads is not poor judgment, apologizing for running people over is.
As a civil engineer who works for a municipality, roads are made for all road users, and cyclists have a right to ride on them, or take the entire lane if they feel it’s needed for their safety.
Cyclists totally comprehend how dangerous other road users, primarily vehicles are, but drivers don’t realize they drive what are essentially weapons, and every year American cars get a little heavier, and the nose a little higher, increasing the risk for all road users.
Roads are really expensive, more so in the mountains. That’s why we tend to share them. Kinda crazy to build a whole separate road over there for bikes, instead of teaching drivers to be more careful of cyclists.
Tragic and far too common. About 1,000 cyclists killed annually in the U.S. Cars are a plague.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !fuckcars@lemmy.world
RIP Magnus. I hope soon our country is less hostile to cyclists
