Why does it matter if Palestine was an established country beforehand? It was conquered by Britain and France who decided (via antisemetic reasoning [“The Jewish Problem”]) to establish a state for the Jewish population. The entire idea of an immigrant group (Jews) being handed their own country on land that is in no way theirs is a totally different scenario than “people defending their rights to live on their ancestral homeland”, as the reasoning to establish Israel is totally justified by its supporters. No one thinks the actions taken by Americans which led to the plight of American Indians was at all justified for any reasons other than greed.
My issue with seeing Israels sitation in the way you desribe is that some people see nothing wrong with, or even see positive aspects in what was a discriminatory, arguably racist action driven by even more racism (antisemitism would be more accurate for the former.
Legitimate arguments. I’m trying to avoid engaging at length in this thread though, beyond my initial criticism of the chosen title and stated reasoning.
The reason for this is I am fully aware this is a passionate topic, and I have no interest in getting bogged down in a debate over it, as I have no wish to convert anyone else to my stance.
Thus I find myself reluctant to even challenge basic falsehoods, as it’s just going to make my inbox even busier. I am well versed in history, I’m unlikely to personally learn anything from this discussion. But more importantly, again, I have no desire to convince or educate anyone either.
So, I respectfully must decline your questions. Though I do understand where you are going with them, and do have reasons for not being very swayed by them. These are not in any way new debates to me, I’ve had them for decades. I just don’t want another.
Why does it matter if Palestine was an established country beforehand? It was conquered by Britain and France who decided (via antisemetic reasoning [“The Jewish Problem”]) to establish a state for the Jewish population. The entire idea of an immigrant group (Jews) being handed their own country on land that is in no way theirs is a totally different scenario than “people defending their rights to live on their ancestral homeland”, as the reasoning to establish Israel is totally justified by its supporters. No one thinks the actions taken by Americans which led to the plight of American Indians was at all justified for any reasons other than greed.
My issue with seeing Israels sitation in the way you desribe is that some people see nothing wrong with, or even see positive aspects in what was a discriminatory, arguably racist action driven by even more racism (antisemitism would be more accurate for the former.
Legitimate arguments. I’m trying to avoid engaging at length in this thread though, beyond my initial criticism of the chosen title and stated reasoning.
The reason for this is I am fully aware this is a passionate topic, and I have no interest in getting bogged down in a debate over it, as I have no wish to convert anyone else to my stance.
Thus I find myself reluctant to even challenge basic falsehoods, as it’s just going to make my inbox even busier. I am well versed in history, I’m unlikely to personally learn anything from this discussion. But more importantly, again, I have no desire to convince or educate anyone either.
So, I respectfully must decline your questions. Though I do understand where you are going with them, and do have reasons for not being very swayed by them. These are not in any way new debates to me, I’ve had them for decades. I just don’t want another.