To all full-grown hexbears, NO DUNKING IN MY THREAD…ONLY TEACH, criminal scum who violate my Soviet will be banned three days and called a doo doo head…you have been warned

  • Pluto [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    10 months ago

    Keep in mind that North Korea, or the DPRK, can’t really trade except for with countries like China and the Russian Federation (and even then illegally while those two countries look the other way).

    It’s literally in an embargo that’s been going on for decades now.

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      10 months ago

      That too. Although, I wonder what the terms of the embargos are, and what north korea has to do on their side to appease the west and allow trade.

      Oh why is this country so corrupt and backwards! Let’s put more sanctions in to restrict its trade and starve its citizens.

      Western logic 😵‍💫

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        what north korea has to do on their side to appease the west and allow trade

        Cuba tried to ask for such terms and was told no terms would be offered.

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          Per Blowback, Che offered to the US, in exchange for lifting the blockade:

          • No exporting Revolution

          • No military alliance with the USSR

          • Cuba wouldn’t / couldn’t directly pay back the US for appropriated property, but were willing to reimburse the US over time through terms of trade

          Really, the only non-negotiable was that Cuba was a communist country, and would have communist governance and a communist economy. JFK thought it was a sign of weakness on Cuba’s part and turned them down.

      • Pluto [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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        Yeah, there are virtually no terms (from what I’ve read), as the country’s leadership is seen as undemocratic and dictatorial and, therefore, the United States and its allies dictate the terms (and DPRK has to follow them) while North Korea doesn’t get a say. It is called a rogue state partly for that reason (as opposed to a country like Saudi Arabia, which has often been a staunch partner of the United States).

        But we know that it has a functioning democracy at various levels; certainly no worse than most Western democracies.

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        That too. Although, I wonder what the terms of the embargos are, and what north korea has to do on their side to appease the west and allow trade.

        Most of the recent-ish embargoes (last few decades) are most directly the US and friends punishing the DPRK’s development of nuclear weaponry. This is plainly because the nuclear arms are one of the DPRK’s strongest deterrents to US invasion, since it’s not as though the DPRK wants to use those weapons or intends to except under the circumstances of being invaded by foreign powers.

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        10 months ago

        From memory there were attempts at normalisation of relations with South Korea in the early 90s but were blocked by the US.

        The American goal is the collapse of North Korea, not whatever is best for Koreans

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          There are a dozen of stories like this, because I feel like every president has tried to be the one to “fix” the North Korea situation.

          Bill Clinton actually negotiated a standown of the DPRK’s nuclear program during his presidency - in return, the US would fund and oversee the construction and operation of two large power plants in the country to make up for the loss of nuclear power.

          When he brought the deal back to Congress, they refused to ratify it. You could build two power plants with spare change in Congresses couch cushions, and the US was running a surplus at the time thanks in part to Clinton gutting welfare, but they refused on the grounds that they didn’t want to pay for it and after waiting six months the Kim Jong Il government realized it wasn’t going to happen and started up their nuclear program again.

          Imagine what else could have happened over the last thirty years if we had gotten the snowball rolling with this one deal cooperating with the DPRK.