The California governor has been trying to get his Florida Republican counterpart to engage. On Wednesday, he got it.

The California governor has been trying to get his Florida Republican counterpart to engage. On Wednesday, he got it.

  • MasterOBee Master/King@lemmy.world
    14·
    1 year ago

    You’re clearly incapable of understanding a satirical joke to prove a point

    So you’re joking and you think conservatives should be allowed to participate in our society? So your fascist views are in jest?

    • TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world
      21·
      1 year ago

      Conservatives should be legally allowed to participate in society, yes. Of course what I said was in jest. Just because they are legally protected by the law, doesn’t mean other people can’t use their own freedom of speech and association to call out and disassociate from awful ideas and people. Protection under the law doesn’t mean anyone needs to put up with you.

      However, not all restrictions are automatically fascist. In fact, even liberal democracies would be wise to not legally tolerate people who were willing to overthrow the system. Much like tolerance, liberty is a social contract, and those who want to take away the liberty of others should not have their own liberty protected.

      • MasterOBee Master/King@lemmy.world
        15·
        1 year ago

        Conservatives should be legally allowed to participate in society, yes.

        I’m glad I could help your views progress!

        Just because they are legally protected by the law,

        Yeah, just as much as…literally every other individual in the country.

        doesn’t mean other people can’t use their own freedom of speech and association to call out and disassociate from awful ideas and people.

        Agreed, however hating someone because they have different views than you and trying to exclude them because of different beliefs says more about you than them.

        However, not all restrictions are automatically fascist. In fact, even liberal democracies would be wise to not legally tolerate people who were willing to overthrow the system.

        So you think we should be able to arrest communists, and those wanting to eat the rich?

        liberty is a social contract

        I disagree, I don’t have liberty because other people have a social contract with me, I have liberty because I’m a human being. It’s a natural human right. I don’t have it because you agree that I have it.

        • TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world
          22·
          1 year ago

          That’s the issue isn’t it? For much of American history, that has been how anti-communists have operated. Unfortunately, liberalism is a fundamentally contradictory system, with economic liberty and personal liberty being two different values. They oppose eachother, and anti-communists ultimately trampled all over people’s personal liberty to reinforce capital interests. As long as liberalism exists, there will always be that dialectic. It’s why liberalism is unstable and will always try to evolve into a capitalism supporting authoritarian system, or a socialist system. So if one favors liberalism, they ultimately have to choose which parts of liberalism they favor.

          The reason we believe we have natural human rights is because it creates the best possible world for us to live in. Sadly, such an idea is a construct, a useful one that should be upheld for mutual benefit, but a construct none the less. The world is not naturally fair and operates based of of might and violence. This is because people are machines, for nothing else could exist in a self consistent logical universe. This doesn’t make you less deserving of rights, it just means you need to fight to keep them because they aren’t guaranteed.