Has she considered, as a sovereign citizen, privately negotiating travel rights with individual nations?
Had to be a shitpost. How is she and her husband traveling around anywhere without any documents?
Her and the husband have documents. These people don’t fuck up their own lives nearly as bad as they fuck over their children.
“I’ll do for my children what my parents refused to do for me.”
They know they’re already “in the system”, but they think they help their child stay out of it. Of course it’s bullshit. Anyone who freely uses social media, especially Facebook and is only worried about g-men tracking them has severe brain rot.
It’s never about being tracked or anything tangible, just vague “gubmint is comical Saturday morning cartoon evil” bullshit.
I had a bartender at my neighborhood dive going on about the “Vax is trackers” crap. I told her if she was worried about being tracked she needed to get rid of her smartphone.
Obviously she got real pissed and stormed off. Blocked me on Facebook too. 🙄😂
“Vax is trackers”
If they were tracking you thought vaccinations, they’d be handing you a real card with an rfid chip at least. Not a flimsy piece of paper. God, I wish the vaccination program was run half as competently as the anti-vaxxers thought it was.
also, if we had miniaturized 5g tracking into an injectable liquid they’d just put it into the beverage supply chain. Make them doubt their own beers!
That’s why I only drink distilled water and grain alcohol.
That’s the most ironic part. Like all the sovcit groups are on Facebook, which likely has considerably more data on them than the government, but they never seem concerned about corporations, just the gubbament
Ain’t that some shit. So no school either eh
“I want all the privilege of society but none of the responsibility and if you don’t give it me to you are stealing my rights “
@BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world, thank you for all of your posts. I’m absolutely fascinated by all the insanity you’re bringing us, and I know it’s a big ask, but I’d love to see a bit more context. Even just a few of the ‘best’ responses would give them more flavour. Do they ever report back when things inevitably don’t go according to ‘plan’?
Sure I can definitely do that. It’s a big hard with Lemmy because on Connect it only allows me to upload one picture at a time, but I can stick them in the comments. Glad you are enjoying! They truly are the craziest I’ve ever seen.
Thank you! The thought of seeing deeper into this crazy fills me with delight.
This lady needs a visit from child welfare. That kid is almost certainly neglected and probably also abused.
All right wing extremist families do really. They’re all batshit and don’t take care of their kids.
But they have got to protect them from the man !
This is extremely prejudiced.
Sometimes the truth feels that way huh?
Just leave it behind when you travel.
Declare loudly as you exit the building “I do not have an international treaty with you”, in order to prevent starvation.
These people are so afraid of nouns. “The System”… Whether urban or rural, we all live in various systems, that’s what society is. There’s no cheat code to not participate, yet reap all the benefits! This is the same type of person that will lie to the yearly census, then complain that they aren’t represented…
There’s no cheat code to not participate and not reap any benefits either, even if you live off grid in the middle of nowhere. You might not recognize the government but the government doesn’t give a fuck.
But… they do receive benefits. Even if it’s something relatively simple like “driving on public roads” or “not having your home burn to the ground if there’s a fire”. That’s my point. We should all participate in society and receive the benefits.
Also not having some foreign soldier come and do something horrible to you. If you truly want to live free of government benefits, you need to find a place with no government.
Plenty of places in Africa for that but of course they wouldn’t wanna live there.
I’m saying if you went out of your way to live totally off grid far from civilization to avoid receiving benefits, doesn’t matter how little you take from society, the government doesn’t care.
We all know that *we live in a society *
Apparently not…
Child traffick
This was my hottake as well.
Super sus
The article/documentary about this kid in 16-18 years is going to be wild. “I was born and raised by sovcit parents”.
Or “I traveled alone”
“They usually put me in a crate with some water bottles and a hand warmer and just posted me wherever they were going.”
What does “Freebirthed” means?
Birth at home with no midwife, no doctors, none of that annoying medical stuff. Just the Mom, and some other idiots winging it like cave man times.
I literally don’t understand a birthing plan that doesn’t include doctors but does include kiddie pools.
Don’t try to understand it, or anything to do with “Sovereign Citizen” nonsense. It takes a unique kind of stupid to exist in that alternate reality.
I mean, is that not what they are for? It’s literally in the name.
Risk of child/mother dying is higher, but mostly if there are complications. For the most part, water birthing is relatively safe. Not getting a birth certificate, on the other hand, is not.
but mostly if there are complications.
Which are, uh, pretty common when giving birth.
Here is a study which has a ton of info. To summarize, undergoing labor in a water bath just flat out is safer. Actually giving birth has mixed results, not necessarily because it’s less safe, but because there are a lot of external factors.(much of the studies featured midwives, which isn’t useful for my claim) That being said, this specific segment, which I’ve done my best to ensure it wasn’t taken out of context, is highly relevant to my claim:
Rates of newborn transfer to a hospital were lower following water birth (1.5%) than non–water birth (2.8%). Rates of adverse newborn outcomes (5-min Apgar score, 7, respiratory issues, presence of infection, and NICU admission) were each lower than 1.0% in the water-birth sample. The total rate of any respiratory issue was 1.6% in the babies born in water and 2.0% in those not born in water.
What does that at all have to do with not having a doctor present in case of a complication? Nearly 1 in 10 of all pregnancies have a complication of some sort. It doesn’t matter how safe the method usually is, if something goes unexpectedly wrong you want someone there trained to handle it.
Specific to your point, my local state run/funded hospital does offer several rooms with birthing pools and midwife lead births, they weren’t pushy in any direction regarding birthing options and were generally positive on the experience, certainly didn’t discourage the option.
Granted this is in a hospital, doctors are on hand if required and the option is removed if the pregnancy is higher risk, but a no-Doctor/kiddie-pool birth in and of itself isn’t super remarkable.
Born outside of the hospital system with no record of the birth. Essentially an unregistered individual.
Setting that child up for failure. An actual pull themselves up by the bootstraps situation for them to have a chance at deciding if they want to be a part of society or live the life their parents forced upon them.
Deciding if they want to be a part of society or live the life their parents forced upon them.
I just realized we all face this choice at some point. Some are more drastically different than others, but at some point we all have to decide if we follow what we’ve been taught through childhood, or if we follow outside influences of society.
For sure. With the world moving towards fully digital records that child is going to be absolutely fucked in the future.
Actually many people believe the same but in reverse. A lesser known fact is that the SSA assigns a SSN to every child born in a hospital Source - SSA guide on Process. It is supposed to be opt-in but court cases by Native Americans have shown that its essentially mandatory and so the driving force of these live births are to avoid their children being branded by a number than can serve as an identifier for the rest of their information. When these kids grow up they often have to get their congressmen involved to get the SSA to issue an SSN since one was not issued at birth. It shows their process works to an extent since they literally have to be vetted by local congressman to show they exist. I am sure there are users in privacy focused communities who would kill to drop off the grid similarly.
I remember a case like this that was on reddit. She posted some video explaining the whole thing and that she turned 18 in a few weeks and had no documents. No birth cert, no SSN, no DL, no official docs of any kind. She was leaving her crazy anti gov parents when she turned 18 but realized she had no way to do it for that reason. The easiest solution people had for her to start the ball on all that was for her to sue her parents for a paternity test and go from there with sworn statements and such.
As I was reading I was wondering how one would start to prove who they are. A paternity test is definitely a good start. It links you to people who exist. I hope they write a book or sell the story at some point to help with their life. Parents really fucked it up for them.
So technically not even a citizen
Legally a citizen (assuming born in the US) because lack of paperwork doesn’t change the law - but with no way of actually proving it.
That’s what they wanted
Think middles ages. Think 70% mortality rate. Think black death, polio, measles. Think “hell yeah, give all of that to my child”
Home-birthing is more risky, but a “70% mortality rate” is leaving the area of “overestimation” and entering “lie” territory.
The neonatal mortality for US hospital midwife-attended births was 3.27 per 10,000 live births, 13.66 per 10,000 live births for all planned home births, and 27.98 per 10,000 live births for unintended/unplanned home births.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32044310/
I couldn’t find numbers for births without a midwife.
Also, in 2020, the most recent year for which the CDC provides data, a total of 9 people have contracted the plague.
That stat is for “midwife attended” ie having a professional do it, not “me and my husband”.
I mean, yeah. I pulled 70% out of my ass, but my point was “idiot is neglectful”.
My comment was not meant to be interpreted literally.
It’s a price they’re willing to have their children pay if it means they can vicariously live out their legal fantasies through them. Obviously all the trouble in their life comes from the government and creditors having some records on them so pump out a couple stealth babies while nobody’s looking, [step 2], profit.
Since she avoids “the system”, I assume all her travelling is on foot. I wonder if she knows borders are mostly unguarded.
Her posting on the internet enters her and her child into the system anyway
Let’s talk about the vaccines the child does not have.
And then we’ll realize the paperwork issue may be moot before too many years.
Oh yeah none of them have shots. It’s insane.
So how do they manage to travel without documents? And if they have those, why haven’t they tried to travel without? Just to see how that is impossible.
Oh, the parents often have passports. Consistency isn’t a real feature of sovcit fuckery. I think some do try to travel with their fake ids that they bought from some lunatic/grifter, but when it inevitably doesn’t work, the desire to go on vacation outweighs their desire to not be part of the system, so they end up applying for a passport eventually.
All those people trying to get into America? They just go the opposite way, same same right?
