• NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    11 months ago

    why the fuck would the nazis’ mortal enemy bury evidence of the nazis’ atrocities?

    talking about the ussr ofc, america was never actually the nazis’ enemy

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      11 months ago

      I can’t even think of what the reason he would say the Soviets would have to bury the history. I went to the post to see if users agreed or added more to his point but of course he hid the replies.

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        11 months ago

        According to NATOpedia, the USSR emphasized all of the victims at Babi Yar, soviets of all ethnicities and so didnt erect memorials specifically to Jewish and Roma victims. Something like 34,000 Jews, basically every Jew in Kiev was murdered there and then over the next months or years many more people, Poles, disabled, Russians, Communists etc were also killed with total victims being about 100,000.

        So the soviets did not bury the history, they openly acknowledged the history but emphasized all victims as civilians murdered by fascism and didn’t emphasize the Jewish and Roma genocides explicitly or prominently. Thats my understanding of what Blinken means by “buried history” after a quick glance at wikipedia at least.

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          11 months ago

          well that would be explained if the soviets didn’t really think the ethnicity of the people murdered mattered. It’s as wrong to kill a Roma or Jewish person as it is to kill anyone else after all

          • RedDawn [he/him]@hexbear.net
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            11 months ago

            That’s true but it’s also probably true that the mass murder of Jews there being one of the biggest single mass killings of the Jewish Holocaust deserves special acknowledgment.

            Now, I’m not commenting one way or the other on whether the Soviets failed to do that because I really don’t know, I was just relaying what I believe to be Blinken’s justification for what he said in the tweet, for anybody who’s wondering what the hell he’s even getting at. I still think he’s being a disingenuous and ridiculous using the phrase “buried the history” because we know that the Soviets did not engage in Holocaust denialism. There’s a nuanced conversation to be had, Blinken isn’t doing that, he’s reaching for a cheap political score against the Russians.

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              11 months ago

              I can see justifications for both as the decimation of the Jewish population was especially tragic but also the idea that Jews aren’t a true part of their homeland is antisemitic and it would be bad to in the wake of the holocaust acknowledge any of the logic behind it

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    11 months ago

    One of my friends was saying the Soviets were covering it up because they said it was a massacre of Soviet citizens and played down that it was a massacre of Jews. And that is where the minimizing the Holocaust narrative comes in. It’s just so in the weeds I don’t care. And Blinken obviously isn’t the one trying to be nuanced.

    • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      11 months ago

      The greater irony in this twisted logic is that the Holocaust happened to more groups than just Jews but here in amerikkka the version we’re taught in schools tends to not talk about how the nazis wanted to exterminate slavs or LGBT people which in of itself is Holocaust denial by omission

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        11 months ago

        or LGBT people which in of itself is Holocaust denial by omission

        The US probably doesn’t want to teach about LGBT people in the Holocaust because when the US liberated the camps they freed the Jews but they kept the homosexuals imprisoned within the camps.