The number of daily smokers in Spain decreases every year and some countries are already legislating their progressive illegalization. However, new forms of consumption such as vaping show that there is still a long way to go.

  • anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    38
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    8 months ago

    As a former smoker and current stoner…maybe don’t ban it?

    Seems like banning things doesn’t work and not banning it clearly works as long as you tax them and spend on anti-smoking education.

    • bhmnscmm@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      8 months ago

      Letting adults decide for themselves what they put in their bodies… What a crazy idea.

      • Worx@lemmynsfw.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        8 months ago

        The problem is with secondhand smoke putting other people at risk without letting them decide what was put into their bodies

    • ThePyroPython@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      8 months ago

      Increase the tax another level and then peg the total value to the consumer price index. This ensures that the cost of tobacco continues to increase in line with inflation.

      Add in a % of value reward for reporting illegally imported tobacco and you now have a continuously effective way of reducing smoking.

    • PunnyName@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      8 months ago

      The main issue is that it’s not something that only affects the user. Secondhand smoke ruins lungs and lives.

      Now, making it where smoking is less desirable, less convenient, more expensive, etc. can go a long way without a direct ban.

      Kinda like how being homeless isn’t literally illegal, but effectively illegal in many places.

      Edit - Clarification here: https://lemmy.world/comment/8884043

      • Jax@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        8 months ago

        I feel like that’s quite possibly the worst example you could have chosen to support your statement. Making it close to illegal to be homeless is wrong, and a treatment of symptoms not the illness. Besides which, secondhand smoke is not something that just lurks around waiting to jump into some kids lungs. Smoke settles. What makes it a problem is when someone smokes inside, or when they smoke right next to someone that doesn’t want to smoke. That is called being an asshole.

        Secondhand smoke is an issue of responsibility. If people can be taught to drink responsibly, then people can be taught to smoke responsibly.

        • PunnyName@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          edit-2
          8 months ago

          I wasn’t even being remotely equitable in how I feel about one or the other.

          So lemme clear the air, so-to-speak:

          • Being homeless should never be treated negatively, and we should help people overcome it in every way possible (housing first).

          • Secondhand smoke is a choice that a smoker makes, a choice that literally affects others in every negative conceivable way, and we should make life harder and harder for smokers. (Even harder for the manufacturers)

          Smokers should be ostracized like we did with COVIDiots; they shouldn’t get to be in public spaces when smoking; they should be isolated until the smoking is over; any lingering stench should be scoured from them before they’re reintroduced to the public.

          Don’t even think to get my words twisted. We treat the homeless like we SHOULD treat smokers.

          • Jax@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            8 months ago

            I’m not twisting your words. You’re saying we should shame smokers the way we do homeless people, because you for some reason are too dumb to see the hypocrisy.

            Shaming homeless people doesn’t work. Shaming smokers will also not work. You are just wrong, no amount of explanation will justify it.