Hey right winger. I did go to the range. I even took gun safety. I still think it’s utterly useless technology for almost everyone on the planet. You are propagating fear rather than diplomacy and good nature.
I don’t think 99 percent of guns need to exist. If we could get help for all those people so hurt by their place where they don’t go mass murder children I would love THAT technology be sold and put on the pedestal guns do.
Because guns have more rights than women. And it’s disgusting. If you think knowing what they do and what they are matters I’m here to tell you, it doesn’t. They still do one thing. End a life and make it easy for anyone to do it.
I’m not a right winger, you goyt. The reason why I promote knowing how to use guns in case you need to protect yourself from the possibility of crazy nationalists and fascists who might be coming to your neighborhood, which makes me exact opposite, you Barney cunt.
At least call me a tankie. That would still also be wrong, but it would at least be at the right side of the political spectrum, ya daft cunt.
Fucking yanks and their broken public education sector.
The reason why I promote knowing how to use guns in case you need to protect yourself from the possibility of crazy nationalists and fascists who might be coming to your neighborhood
Armed with the guns they shouldn’t have been able to buy, but were thanks to pro-gun groups.
Yea. I got my protection. It’s called being smarter than they are. They aren’t doing anything. Look at them with January 6th. They only killed one of their own and took a few statues. They have to fight the government. Which they will lose to.
Yea. I got my protection. It’s called being smarter than they are.
You’re going to out think political violence?
They aren’t doing anything. Look at them with January 6th. They only killed one of their own and took a few statues.
And the Beer Hall Putsch was a failed coup that only ended up killing 15 Nazi… Guess it’s safe to assume that the Nazi went away after that and were never problematic again?
They have to fight the government. Which they will lose to.
Unless…the conservatives get control of the executive again. Then they would have the backing of both the executive, the judicial, and half of the legislative branch to protect them.
It wouldn’t be them fighting the government, in the actually dangerous scenario, it would be us.
So much for that education.
For the actual context of why leftist advocate for self protection you should really read The Death of Democracy by Benjamin Hett, and Setting Sites by Scott Crow.
Death of Democracy goes into detail about how the Weimar Republic (a government designed based off our own) fell to fascism, and how fascism was specifically designed to infiltrate and destroy democracies from within.
Setting Sites is a collection of stories spanning throughout modern history of socialist communities who successfully defended their communities from political violence. It’s a guide on how to set up networks of community based mutual aid and defense, and why it’s important to do so.
I am. I am not being shot at. Neither are most people that aren’t out there asking for violence. Amazing how diplomacy and being calm works amongst adults.
Lol, and how do you suppose I use my wit to avoid the violence of someone who just does like the color of my skin?
Neither are most people that aren’t out there asking for violence.
Do you not understand this is the same rhetoric conservatives use when they hear about rape, “well what was she wearing”?
I’ve literally been in physical altercations with someone I’ve never met or talked to, simply for being in an interracial marriage in the south.
We have friends who are trans or gay, and we are in a state specifically targeting their safety. The community also has a high rate of domestic violence, and our home acts as a community safe house for a number of friends. Unfortunately there are a large number of firearms in my state and you don’t need a license to conceal one. So there’s a good chance the people my friends would be hiding from may be armed.
So how would you handle these situations in an “adult way”?
I still think it’s utterly useless technology for almost everyone on the planet. You are propagating fear rather than diplomacy and good nature.
This claim requires an unrealistic interpretation of reality to make any sense. He isn’t propagating fear, he is responding to a threat. Do you think it’s a smart idea to engage in diplomacy with a person who is armed and views you as sub-human?
don’t think 99 percent of guns need to exist. If we could get help for all those people so hurt by their place where they don’t go mass murder children I would love THAT technology be sold and put on the pedestal guns do.
That’s great, I too wish humans were reasonable and peace loving entities. However, that doesn’t change the fact that the most racist and violent demographics in this country are also the most armed.
Because guns have more rights than women. And it’s disgusting
But what exactly does this have to do with leftist arming themselves against the increasing threat of political violence?
They still do one thing. End a life and make it easy for anyone to do it.
Yeah… That’s kind of the point of any weapon. Your rhetoric seems to be suggesting that we are debating the very idea of if guns should exist as a concept. Not the reality of what to do when a large percent of the population already has them, and are training in groups to utilize them in political or racial violence.
Who is coming at me with arms? Who have I provoked such a response from? It is a fantasy to believe you are that important. People don’t randomly go and fire guns when people aren’t in the middle of their protest or any other people.
Safe to say, gun violence is put on kids because the neck beards have nothing better to do than target those that can’t defend themselves.
Who is coming at me with arms? Who have I provoked such a response from?
Lol, I know this may be hard to accept, but this is not about you. If you have enough privilege to live in an area where people don’t already have preconceptions of criminality based on your race…good for you.
Some of us live in dangerous areas, some of us are not the same color as you, some of us have already experienced racial violence, some of us love people who are being targeted for their sexual preferences.
This is the most privileged take I’ve ever seen on Lemmy, and that’s quite the high bar. You are effectively claiming that any victim of violence must have somehow provoked it.
People don’t randomly go and fire guns when people aren’t in the middle of their protest or any other people.
I guess you’re just ignoring violent hate crimes?
Safe to say, gun violence is put on kids because the neck beards have nothing better to do than target those that can’t defend themselves.
What was that?
target those that can’t defend themselves.
Hmmm, that seems to me like a good reason to be able to defend yourself?
You mean when the guys with guns that are hired to protect the kids without guns didn’t protect anyone? Yea. You are adorable thinking that you convince anyone with such arguments.
You mean when the guys with guns that are hired to protect the kids without guns didn’t protect anyone?
It’s almost like the state apparatus that is supposed to protect is failing in multiple ways? No what does that strawman have to do with mutual aid and protection networks?
The book I was talking about wasn’t about theory, it was accounts of actual events. Often with the primary source being a person who partook or benefited from the mutual aid network.
It’s not really about tactics or personal defense, it’s about how important community building is for disadvantaged groups. About how sometimes similar to your early example, the state fails to protect these groups from radical political violence.
“Who have I provoked such a response from?” hahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha ah yes “if a brownshirt was after me I would simply explain that I am no threat and then the brown shirt would calm down, everyone who died must have done something to provoke the brownshirt” man my guy dude man cease
i dont disagree but unless you are the kind of leftist hoping every 4 years that a socialist will magically pop up on the ballot and fix everything, go enough to the left and you will see many people considering guns as one of the possible outcomes.
You are utilizing cyclical reasoning… They have guns. This isn’t a debate about whether or not they theoretically should have guns, they already have the guns.
Everyone here would prefer if no one had guns, but that’s not the current reality. Nor is it one a person with a gun is going to accept as an answer from a person without a gun.
If your only rebuttal to the use of hard power against you is ethical rhetoric, you’re not going to have a good time.
The same way they came for Gabby Giffords or Paul Pelosi or that pizza parlor owner or all the Democrats in congress on Jan 6th. You’ll need some help when your neighbor has finally heard enough AM radio and decides today’s the day, or when conservative stochastic terrorism is so wide-spread that the cops just can’t keep up with it all.
Let’s see… In this thread we’ve now covered who, how, when, where and why.
Well, good for you for being safe and tucked away from the conservatives. I guess this existential fight does not involve you. So, there should be no reason for you to involve yourself with this discussion about how to defend against them.
No. That means conservatives are worried about defending what? Fighting against the government? They aren’t fighting against everyday people. It’s not logical to think that they have an enemy other than themselves. A gun is not necessary for any reason.
You want to lower gun violence? Legalize all drugs.
Don’t see many liquor stores shooting each other up over territory these days do ya?
Maybe the democrats arent serious about lowerung gun violence. Maybe democrats don’t really believe in bodily autonomy. Democrats want to tell me what I can do with my body.
No I don’t need to write a 100,000 word essay on how Republicans are worse. We all know it dipshits.
Hey right winger. I did go to the range. I even took gun safety. I still think it’s utterly useless technology for almost everyone on the planet. You are propagating fear rather than diplomacy and good nature.
I don’t think 99 percent of guns need to exist. If we could get help for all those people so hurt by their place where they don’t go mass murder children I would love THAT technology be sold and put on the pedestal guns do.
Because guns have more rights than women. And it’s disgusting. If you think knowing what they do and what they are matters I’m here to tell you, it doesn’t. They still do one thing. End a life and make it easy for anyone to do it.
I’m not a right winger, you goyt. The reason why I promote knowing how to use guns in case you need to protect yourself from the possibility of crazy nationalists and fascists who might be coming to your neighborhood, which makes me exact opposite, you Barney cunt.
At least call me a tankie. That would still also be wrong, but it would at least be at the right side of the political spectrum, ya daft cunt.
Fucking yanks and their broken public education sector.
Armed with the guns they shouldn’t have been able to buy, but were thanks to pro-gun groups.
Yea. I got my protection. It’s called being smarter than they are. They aren’t doing anything. Look at them with January 6th. They only killed one of their own and took a few statues. They have to fight the government. Which they will lose to.
So much for that education.
You’re going to out think political violence?
And the Beer Hall Putsch was a failed coup that only ended up killing 15 Nazi… Guess it’s safe to assume that the Nazi went away after that and were never problematic again?
Unless…the conservatives get control of the executive again. Then they would have the backing of both the executive, the judicial, and half of the legislative branch to protect them.
It wouldn’t be them fighting the government, in the actually dangerous scenario, it would be us.
For the actual context of why leftist advocate for self protection you should really read The Death of Democracy by Benjamin Hett, and Setting Sites by Scott Crow.
Death of Democracy goes into detail about how the Weimar Republic (a government designed based off our own) fell to fascism, and how fascism was specifically designed to infiltrate and destroy democracies from within.
Setting Sites is a collection of stories spanning throughout modern history of socialist communities who successfully defended their communities from political violence. It’s a guide on how to set up networks of community based mutual aid and defense, and why it’s important to do so.
I am. I am not being shot at. Neither are most people that aren’t out there asking for violence. Amazing how diplomacy and being calm works amongst adults.
Lol, and how do you suppose I use my wit to avoid the violence of someone who just does like the color of my skin?
Do you not understand this is the same rhetoric conservatives use when they hear about rape, “well what was she wearing”?
I’ve literally been in physical altercations with someone I’ve never met or talked to, simply for being in an interracial marriage in the south.
We have friends who are trans or gay, and we are in a state specifically targeting their safety. The community also has a high rate of domestic violence, and our home acts as a community safe house for a number of friends. Unfortunately there are a large number of firearms in my state and you don’t need a license to conceal one. So there’s a good chance the people my friends would be hiding from may be armed.
So how would you handle these situations in an “adult way”?
This claim requires an unrealistic interpretation of reality to make any sense. He isn’t propagating fear, he is responding to a threat. Do you think it’s a smart idea to engage in diplomacy with a person who is armed and views you as sub-human?
That’s great, I too wish humans were reasonable and peace loving entities. However, that doesn’t change the fact that the most racist and violent demographics in this country are also the most armed.
But what exactly does this have to do with leftist arming themselves against the increasing threat of political violence?
Yeah… That’s kind of the point of any weapon. Your rhetoric seems to be suggesting that we are debating the very idea of if guns should exist as a concept. Not the reality of what to do when a large percent of the population already has them, and are training in groups to utilize them in political or racial violence.
Who is coming at me with arms? Who have I provoked such a response from? It is a fantasy to believe you are that important. People don’t randomly go and fire guns when people aren’t in the middle of their protest or any other people.
Safe to say, gun violence is put on kids because the neck beards have nothing better to do than target those that can’t defend themselves.
Lol, I know this may be hard to accept, but this is not about you. If you have enough privilege to live in an area where people don’t already have preconceptions of criminality based on your race…good for you.
Some of us live in dangerous areas, some of us are not the same color as you, some of us have already experienced racial violence, some of us love people who are being targeted for their sexual preferences.
This is the most privileged take I’ve ever seen on Lemmy, and that’s quite the high bar. You are effectively claiming that any victim of violence must have somehow provoked it.
I guess you’re just ignoring violent hate crimes?
What was that?
Hmmm, that seems to me like a good reason to be able to defend yourself?
You mean when the guys with guns that are hired to protect the kids without guns didn’t protect anyone? Yea. You are adorable thinking that you convince anyone with such arguments.
It’s almost like the state apparatus that is supposed to protect is failing in multiple ways? No what does that strawman have to do with mutual aid and protection networks?
The book I was talking about wasn’t about theory, it was accounts of actual events. Often with the primary source being a person who partook or benefited from the mutual aid network.
It’s not really about tactics or personal defense, it’s about how important community building is for disadvantaged groups. About how sometimes similar to your early example, the state fails to protect these groups from radical political violence.
“Who have I provoked such a response from?” hahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha ah yes “if a brownshirt was after me I would simply explain that I am no threat and then the brown shirt would calm down, everyone who died must have done something to provoke the brownshirt” man my guy dude man cease
Cause that happened. Dumbass
i dont disagree but unless you are the kind of leftist hoping every 4 years that a socialist will magically pop up on the ballot and fix everything, go enough to the left and you will see many people considering guns as one of the possible outcomes.
And who am I going to need the gun for?
Yea. You didn’t think that far ahead.
The conservatives who want you and your family to not exist.
Right. And how are they coming for me exactly?
You are utilizing cyclical reasoning… They have guns. This isn’t a debate about whether or not they theoretically should have guns, they already have the guns.
Everyone here would prefer if no one had guns, but that’s not the current reality. Nor is it one a person with a gun is going to accept as an answer from a person without a gun.
If your only rebuttal to the use of hard power against you is ethical rhetoric, you’re not going to have a good time.
Thanks
The same way they came for Gabby Giffords or Paul Pelosi or that pizza parlor owner or all the Democrats in congress on Jan 6th. You’ll need some help when your neighbor has finally heard enough AM radio and decides today’s the day, or when conservative stochastic terrorism is so wide-spread that the cops just can’t keep up with it all.
Let’s see… In this thread we’ve now covered who, how, when, where and why.
No. You covered people that aren’t me, in a city that isn’t mine, in a situation I’m not in and neither are most people.
Well, good for you for being safe and tucked away from the conservatives. I guess this existential fight does not involve you. So, there should be no reason for you to involve yourself with this discussion about how to defend against them.
No. That means conservatives are worried about defending what? Fighting against the government? They aren’t fighting against everyday people. It’s not logical to think that they have an enemy other than themselves. A gun is not necessary for any reason.
I can’t predict exactly, but the OP article talks about some of these people.
In their fantasy. When does that happen to people just minding their own business?
one example i can think of is when those people decide to make their fantasy a reality, they are gettong ever crazier
You want to lower gun violence? Legalize all drugs.
Don’t see many liquor stores shooting each other up over territory these days do ya?
Maybe the democrats arent serious about lowerung gun violence. Maybe democrats don’t really believe in bodily autonomy. Democrats want to tell me what I can do with my body.
No I don’t need to write a 100,000 word essay on how Republicans are worse. We all know it dipshits.