On my ender 3 I have to turn the knobs on the bottom for leveling.

I just picked up a Bambu Lab P1S and it doesn’t.

Fundamentally, what is different that allows the P1S and other printers to get away without it?

  • PriorityMotif@lemmy.worldEnglish
    19·
    8 months ago

    Back in my day you had to level the bed by hand! We had to put a piece of paper between the print nozzle and the bed until the gaps were perfect. If the bed was warped, there was nothing you could do!

  • wjrii@lemmy.worldEnglish
    13·
    8 months ago

    The Bambu will have some sort of auto bed leveling. The simplest method is a limit switch connected to a small plunger style probe mounted next to the nozzle.

    Whatever the specific method, the idea is something that lets the printer sample multiple points on the bed and use the Z axis dynamically to adjust for the small irregularities. If you don’t have that, even half a millimeter can ruin print quality, so the leveling screws are there to handle it manually from the bed side.

    • GingeyBook@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      3·
      8 months ago

      I had the ender 3 S1 with a cr touch though, why the need for both in that case?

      • papalonian@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        8 months ago

        I’m pretty sure the original version of that printer didn’t come stock with the CR Touch. So rather than redesign and manufacturer all new boards they just kept the same one.

        Also, I have a BLTouch on my printer (same thing different name), and while it’s pretty good, it isn’t perfect, and I do have to manually adjust the bed a tiny bit here and there. My guess is, cheaper printers like the ender and my neptune that are designed with adjustable beds in mind are prone to the bed being thrown off balance, whereas nicer printers like your new bambu are more robust in that the bed is supported well enough to not get thrown off.

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          8 months ago

          also, the springs tend to go out of level, and it’s usually best practice with springs to level it manually and get it close enough first, then use the ABL to correct for the horrendous dip in creality printer beds.

      • wjrii@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        8 months ago

        I think some people do take them off if they have CRTouch and decent spacers, but the wheels still work as nuts, and then, neither CRTouch nor an Ender style bed is perfect, so if something is real wonky it can be good to make a few adjustments before probing. The Bambu was likely designed with ABL in mind, and at the price they’re charging I’d also expect a little more fit and finish, LOL.

      • skilltheamps@feddit.deEnglish
        1·
        8 months ago

        That’s odd, I upgraded my ender 3 with bed leveling and removed the knobs to mount it fixed, because the damn knobs keep moving and then you have to redo the bed calibration. To be honest I can imagine one reason might be that a loosely mounted bed gives you more fault tolerance against the nozzle being too low. I put my bed on two parallel linear rollers for more rigidity, and combined with dual z screws the nozzle has no chance anymore to produce any sort of first layer when it is slightly too low. That made me realize just how much the stock ender 3 is flopping around, but also how this can give you mostly okayish results most of the time without having to deal with a ton of small tolerances.

        • GingeyBook@lemm.eeOPEnglish
          3·
          8 months ago

          I had no idea that was an option, maybe that would have made my experience a little better

  • EmilieEvans@lemmy.mlEnglish
    101·
    8 months ago

    BambuLab wants to be the Apple of 3D-printing. So they simplified and decided the factory bed level with auto bed leveling/compensation is good enough for the user.

    On high end printers there is just no need to level them. The factory does it and the bed won’t move at all due to the excellent mechanical designs.

    Everything else? They have it to level the corners of the bed and use automatic bed leveling/correction to get it perfect and adjust for build plate imperfections.

    There is one system that does level the bed but doesn’t need the knobs as each of the three mounting points is connected to an independent z-axis (kinematic bed): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgkK7Fez8VU

  • IMALlama@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    8 months ago

    It’s worth noting that there are a few bed leveling methodologies:

    • Full manual, such as the stock enders of yore
    • “Automatic leveling” without a means of actually getting the bed in plane with the gantry. An ender with a touch sensor falls into this category. So does the X1 actually, since the three lead screws share a common z motor. As the bed gets out of plane with the gantry and/or your bed warps the printer will compensate. Ideally the bed and gantry are designed in such a way that they can’t become that out of plane (for example, the bed is fixed)
    • “Automatic leveling” with a mechanical mechanism to get the gantry and bed in parallel planes. This is what Vorons, Rat Rig, etc do. They’ll also benefit from a bed mesh, since most beds aren’t perfectly flat
  • Aniki 🌱🌿@lemm.eeEnglish
    31·
    8 months ago

    HA! I also just went from an Ender 3 to a big boy K1C and I can tell you mine has 3 z-screws that it uses in conjunction with a pressure sensor on the nozzle so it knows EXACTLY where it is and can adjust each screw independently to level the bed. It’s fucking genius and it makes my ender look like a model T with a crank start, damn near literally.