Server indexes of places for newcomers to join can be instrumental for Fediverse adoption. However, sudden rule changes can leave some admins feeling pressure to change policies in order to remain listed.

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    Fedi garden is just someone’s website, they can put whatever they want on it. No big deal.

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    any other instance allowing all the racist, homophobic and transphobic shit that gets posted on Threads would be unanimously defederated by the biggest players on the Fediverse, and blasted all over the network under the fediblock hashtag, but Meta somehow gets the pass because… more number mean gooder?

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      all i see on mine (i just tried it this week) is cute videos, artist videos, life hack videos, and amazing videos. seriously. it’s a lot like discuit. i guess it’s all in what you follow.

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      I get this argument… but I keep seeing folks talk about Threads as if it’s somehow an existential threat to Mastodon rather than “big crappy instance with asshats on it,” and I don’t quite understand how it’s more than that… at least at a level that users and instance admins have any influence over. Can someone ELI5?

    • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      how can threads be transphobic when my following feed is filled with trans people? id say it’s more trans friendly than mastodon.

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          Well then I guess the pro-trans thing to do is tell Katy she shouldn’t be allowed to follow all those trans people.

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                If an instance defederates from another instance there’s nothing stopping a user who liked that instance that was defederated with from moving to, making an account on or just using (in the broadest sense) another instance which hasn’t defederated with the instance they like or that instance itself. I do this sometimes, I go on to another instance I don’t have an account on to see the content a defederated instance treats as acceptable and thus the culture it has.

                That’s one reason I moved to the fediverse: so I could get rid of all of the content I didn’t want to see before I saw it. More typical social media like Meta, Twitter and Reddit all have a long history of failing to moderate against anti-trans hate, as with other types of hate, so I moved to the fediverse. One thing that stuck out as a major selling point to me at the time was a lack of an algorithm, meaning that everything I saw I saw because I searched for it, I subscribed to it, because it’s local or has been crossposted. Those latter two cases are the only real examples I can think of where a user is served content they didn’t actively search for, and even then they’re likely to be interested in it because an instance with a specific purpose, like lemmy.blahaj.zone or slrpnk.net, would only host communities that fit with the userbase’s interests.

                One of the reasons I use lemmy.blahaj.zone as my instance, which Katy also uses, is because the admins do their best to weed out transphobia and that includes Threads because Meta has poor moderation. It’s already fairly well established practice to block or defederate from instances with poor moderation (sometimes including open registration) because they pose risks to an instance’s userbase. If my instance federated with Threads I would feel at risk from Threads users attacking my posts or my private messaging inbox, so I would leave. We have already seen “aggressive” or “troll-ish” behaviour like this from instances which are far smaller than Threads are.

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        That is the stupidest arguement I’ve seen in a while. " my grandad smoked 3 packs a day and never got cancer so cancer is just a hoax by big pharma!" Anecdotes aren’t accepted as evidence for good reason.

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    3 months ago

    Even though I hate Meta, I can totally understand why admins are pissed at this change.

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    No way! Little dictators exercising the power they have. But it is their platform, they can do what they want right?

    This is probably the biggest threat to the fediverse.

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            Bullying instance admins into aligning with your values is absolutely the type of behavior that will ruin this protocol.

            Meta is evil and Threads is lame. And I can block them on my own, thank you.

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              “Not linking to you on my personal website is bullying”

              Give it a fucking break precious.

              Co-ordinated action is needed to fight back against billion dollar companies, not leaving it up to individuals.

              • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org
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                3 months ago

                Do you also urge your e-mail provider to block e-mails from Meta for all users?

                • awesomesauce309@midwest.social
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                  I would urge the email protocol makers to stop the rampant corporate tracking. Basically every email sender gets your location, ip, and other info when you open it.

                  I’d bet facebook has a team of marketers working tirelessly to grow their fedi market share so that less informed people think of the fediverse as just a part of threads. They started their own free ISP and half the people that used it ended up thinking Facebook dot com was all there is to the internet. They’ve decided to ruin the fediverse next because by federating, they can see a ton of info about you/your account by default.

                  I think the FTC should do its fucking job, but until then people should stop these huge companies from getting exactly what they want as much as possible. I see no benefit, but a major threat from a company that spies and creates hordes of ill informed users. Literally they are in the news right now for man in the middling Snapchat data. You think they won’t/haven’t started that kind of thing for fedi? They can’t train their LLMs off Snapchat half as easy as they can here.

    • cosmicrookie@lemmy.world
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      They are not threatening the fediverst though are they? Just refusing to promote certain instances for newcomers. When I signed up, i wasn’t really sure what I was signing up to but i did assume that not all instances were listed on that page that talked about them

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        Little dictators that have too much prominence and visibility are the threats. If a specific start point gets too prominent a lot of users could be redirected from good instances because of the little tyrants that run such a jump on point. Granted it can be easily routes around by offering alternative entry points, but a certain amount of prominence will impact not so Tech savvy users.

        And in your assumption you have shown you already understand the fediverse more than a lot of people ever will. They will just join an instance and browse /ALL.

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      The above is the core strength of the fediverse. Tinpot despots may have an advantage in the network due to previous efforts, but they can be routed around any time they go nuts.

      This is a huge, huge win over the top down shitbergs that is current corporate social media.

      • RubberDuck@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        I think this is true, but the fediverse (as an entity) needs to prevent too much power accumulating at one point.

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          It ebbs and flows. Full decentralization would be ideal, but unrealistic. Power always consolidates, until it suddenly doesnt. Making it easy to leave when it “suddenly doesnt” is key.

    • TORFdot0@lemmy.world
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      I am not in favor of transitive property defederation either but Meta will make similar demands if they are allowed to be an influencer in the fedi as well. I’d rather that everyone just decides to defederate threads independently

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    Are any major Lemmy or Mastodon instances in Fedi Garden?

    I was looking through the site and didn’t see any instances I recognized but they also nest everything so it takes like 3 clicks to see 2 severs.

    Edit: By type looks like the easier way to see the entire list, which is not huge and I don’t recognize any of the servers but I will admit I am not a big Mastodon person.

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      The person who runs it doesn’t recommend Lemmy because of the political opinions of its main developers.

      Kinda funny now given that Eugene of Mastodon has signed an NDA with Facebook.

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    I think this is consistent with their content policy aims, so that’s fine. Meta will not easily ban Nazis, so I get where they’re coming from. I don’t think I personally would want to participate in this project if I was an admin though.

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    So admins are pissed because one of the more powerful (because rare) indexes has a spine.

    Meta promoting hate doesnt fit the fediverse, plain and simple. Maybe people just get over themselves?

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    While I would love for everyone to defederate from threads, strong-arming people is not the way.

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      How exactly is anyone being strong armed?
      A single, privately run index site (which, to be clear, I have never even visited, let alone have any affiliation with) doesn’t want to publicise certain instances.
      If anything, forcing them to index instances they don’t want to would be the strong-arming.

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        Yeah saying they have to list and recommend things they disagree with reeks highly of “freeze peach” principles as understood by right-wing-philosopher-clowns.

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          Yup, but only when it’s something those clowns disagree with, like excluding Nazis or corporations.

          Now, excluding people from protected groups, who need to be protected in the first place because of the groups the clowns endorse and defend, they’re more than happy to fight for that…

          And conveniently enough anyone who disagrees with them is a traitor they don’t have to listen to, and voilà - built in shield against any criticism or the pointing out of just how massive their hypocrisy is…

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    seems a big against the sprit of “let each instance choose.” al ost like having a corporation control the choices available.

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    In the end, on paper, it results to more active users because they will use their main account that they created innitially and simply have a new account to access the blocked content on other insurances

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    The solution to this is to create a new index (sorry web page). Job done.

    Groups who abuse their position should be ignored. Without traffic their influence disappears.