• Mossy Feathers (She/They)@pawb.social
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    8 months ago

    Interesting. I thought it was fairly well established that Jesus existed in some capacity but the debate was about who he actually was and (from a religious standpoint) if he did any of the things the Bible claims he did. It’s interesting to read that non-jewish people of the time seemed to have no knowledge of his existence.

    At the same time though, I wonder if it’s possible that most people just ignored him, which is why there’s apparently very few accounts of him until after he supposedly died, resurrected and ascended to heaven. Kinda like a street preacher in Times Square, NYC. How many people actually acknowledge street preachers on social media, and how many of them actually know the preachers by name? Then think about how social media didn’t exist yet, so the bar to be recorded in history by uninterested third parties (even just as a letter to a friend about that “annoying Jesus guy”) is probably a lot higher.

    Not saying he existed, just that it’s interesting to think that he could have existed but the lack of evidence is just because no one gave a fuck.

    • flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works
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      8 months ago

      It’s a novel take for me, as well. I’d have assumed the Pharisees would have surely written about him as they hated him so much…

      But I’m still trying to wrap my little head around mythologised history and historicised mythology!

    • PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      8 months ago

      How much of the gospels have to be true for you to be comfortable jesus existed? On one end you’ve got a dude named Jesus (0%) to every non-magical account at 100%.

      Even the non-mystical stuff should have left a mark, but it doesn’t seem like it really did.

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        8 months ago

        That’s the thing. Personally I’d need an individual who fits the nonmagical description moderately well and made the majority of the claims he’s said to have made. Namely I need most of his major teachings coming from the same individual. A parable or two here or there is one thing, but the beatitudes, the greatest commandment, turn the other cheek, etc that’s important to the claim that this individual existed. If it was just some dude who got executed named Jesus who wandered around clarifying the Torah that’s not the historical Jesus

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      8 months ago

      Some version of Jesus absolutely existed, since is was a pretty common name. Street preachers were not uncommon either, so it’s very possible that there was one named Jesus.

      The real debate about whether Jesus existed is whether any of the biblical stories are at all accurate. There is No reason to think they are.

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        8 months ago

        absolutely existed

        vs

        it’s very possible

        are two wildly different claims which cannot co-exist.

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          8 months ago

          Except they were two different claims. “Some guy named Jesus existed”, and “Some guy named Jesus was a street preacher”.

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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      8 months ago

      I’ve read some stuff suggesting pretty much that – a cult that he started, ditched when it got out of hand and they killed his brother, but then he rejoined to reign it back in. Far from low-born, far from celibate, far from magical. He’s buried in northern Spain and was survived by three children.