Just putting this up to contrast with this post and because Eli Valley is a great political cartoonist.

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    I am voting for Biden as a vote against Trump

    And I’m voting Uncommitted against Trump as well as zionism and genocide being tolerated in the Democratic party.

    You might be ok with Dems being complicit in genocide, I am not and my action reflects that. It doesn’t take a whole lot to get my vote back, just don’t fund genocide. Easy, right?

    You keep mentioning morals after I already told you that my decision is not one based in morals; it’s based in logic.

    And I repeat the question you side-stepped; logically, how would one discourage Democrats from supporting genocide? Remember now, I’m not talking about Republicans, I know that they’re difficult to distinguish these days but I’m asking about Democrats. How, logically, does one stop Democrats from funding genocide and accepting AIPAC money?

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      In my state, we’re not even having a primary. Again, tell me more about how to do the electoral math.

      And I repeat the question you side-stepped; logically, how would one discourage Democrats ftom supporting genocide? Remember now, I’m not talking about Republicans, I know that they’re difficult to distinguish these days but I’m asking about Democrats. How, logically, does one stop Democrats from funding genocide and accepting AIPAC money?

      Show up to the meetings in your county. Get the phone numbers of the local party leaders that you can actually speak with. Engage with them. Tell them what they need to support. I’m tired of being the youngest person in the room as a 40 year old, it doesn’t bode well. All politics is local.

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        Contact my representatives. Ok. And when they say “Nah, we like supporting genocide and taking AIPAC money, we’re going to keep doing that” what then?

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          Wow… ok…

          1.) I did not say to contact your representatives. I said to get in touch with your local party leaders. That means the people running the either weekly or monthly meetings that happen in your county. Depending on where you live, that might be your neighbor, or it might be someone down the street, but either way; it’s going to be someone that you have a possible chance of encountering at a store in your area.

          2.) Based on how you responded, I can infer that you haven’t tried contacting your representatives either. So tell me again… what have you tried other than just doing nothing?

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            Ok, so the party leaders and representatives and your local city council or whoever else say "Nah, we like supporting genocide and taking AIPAC money, we’re going to keep doing that” what then?

            What’s the next step, logically, if those in power aren’t listening or interested in changing their behavior?

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                I see. Taking office myself.

                So if we extend this logic to the presidency I should…-checks notes-…just become the President of the United States.

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                  Perhaps… but you also have to realize the timeline involved in such an endeavor. In the meantime, you have a two party system. Vote for the better option.

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                    You’re just circling back around to alluding to Republicans again. I didn’t ask about how to stop Republicans. I asked how to stop right-wing extremist Democrats from directing the party.

                    You admit on one hand that getting people to vote against a genocide-supporting candidate is ultimately the way you influence the Democratic party’s support of genocide when those in power won’t listen, but then still end up at the conclusion that we should vote for the genocide-supporting candidate.

                    I fail to see how this will effect the Democrats future behavior. Why wouldn’t they just continue their strategy of propping up extremist right-wing opponents to make their genocide-supporting candidates the lesser of two evils?

                    What do you think, logically, I should infer then about your claim that you’re a logical decision maker?