It is probably due to a number of people stopping using their alts after some instance hopping.

Also a few people who came to see how it was, and weren’t attracted enough to become regular visitors.

Curious to see at which number we’ll stabilize.

Next peak will probably happen after either major features release (e.g. exhaustive mod tools allowing reluctant communities to move from Reddit) or the next Reddit fuck up (e.g. removing old.reddit)

Stats on each server: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list

  • Lucia@eviltoast.org
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    19
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    1 year ago

    This drop in users is natural though - not every person that got here with a hype train was expected to stay here, just like users who joined Lemmy just to wait until protests are over. Some users may switched from lemmy to kbin and are still with us, just using another software.

    Before the exodux Lemmy was really empty. That’s why people are so optimistic about the future of the threadiverse.

    • Kushan@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      A slower growth trend would be “natural” as you describe it, but a drop in users should only be concerning at this stage, especially as the platform is still so young. Even a small amount of growth is still growth but a decline in users means more people are leaving the platform than joining it.

      Again, you’re pulling explanations out of thin air - go ahead and prove that those users are switching to kbin over lemmy, use some data to back up your claim.

      Or accept that we have a problem with adoption and as a community we need to fix it.

      • prole@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        1 year ago

        A decline seems natural. Of course there are many people who came to lemmy to check it out, and not all of them stuck with it. That is to be expected, no?

      • Lucia@eviltoast.org
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        1 year ago

        User growth hasn’t stopped, check this.

        Again, you’re pulling explanations out of thin air - go ahead and prove that those users are switching to kbin over lemmy, use some data to back up your claim.

        I said “Some users may switched” - I claimed nothing.

        Or accept that we have a problem with adoption and as a community we need to fix it.

        Lemmy is improving, mobile apps are in rapid development, and seems good (never used one so am judging from what I’ve heard), communities are being created everyday. No one in this thread said that Lemmy is in perfect state and we have nothing to improve. If you have some ideas on how can we make Lemmy better, you’re free to share them.

        • Kushan@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          User growth hasn’t stopped, check this.

          Are you referring to the graphs here? The ones that show:

          • Monthly Active users in decline
          • Daily active users in decline

          Those graphs?

          Sure, 6-monthly users is increasing (and plateauing) and people sure are posting more comments, but those graphs do not paint a good picture and do not suggest positive user growth.

          No one in this thread said that Lemmy is in perfect state and we have nothing to improve.

          That’s exactly what some people in this thread are claiming. Every time someone says “Good, less users is a good thing”, they’re saying nothing needs to change because that’s what they want. I am saying that is not the case and I stand by that.

          Lemmy is improving, but it clearly needs to go a lot further to start attracting users again.

          • Lucia@eviltoast.org
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            Sure, 6-monthly users is increasing (and plateauing) and people sure are posting more comments, but those graphs do not paint a good picture and do not suggest positive user growth.

            Yep, this graph basically shows that growth hasn’t stopped, it was just overtaken by the drop in Lemmy users. I will return to it a bit later.

            Every time someone says “Good, less users is a good thing”, they’re saying nothing needs to change because that’s what they want

            Only if it’s taken outside of context. Okay, I admit I shouldn’t claim “No one said that”, but in many cases people aren’t celebrating the decrease of Lemmy users. For example, OP clearly stated:

            It is probably due to a number of people stopping using their alts after some instance hopping. Also a few people who came to see how it was, and weren’t attracted enough to become regular visitors.

            From my perspective, this decline is a consequance of a rapid growth during last months: people were promised with a new reddit, but they got lemmy, with its quirks and issues. Of course, some people weren’t satisfied with it - and when protests on reddit came to an end, they could finally abandon lemmy for the platform they were actually interested in.

            That’s why I pointed out on the fact user growth never stopped - Lemmy’s still attracting new users, just people who weren’t interested in lemmy in the first place decided to leave.

            • Kushan@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              Side note: OP did originally have the phrase “And that’s good for lemmy” (or something very similar to that) in the title of this post, but they’ve since edited it. I don’t know of a way of recovering what the original title said to be certain but it’s worth knowing this, as that’s a lot of the context behind this thread around why people (like myself) are decrying those that are saying it’s a good thing.

              • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.deOP
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                1 year ago

                I did edit it, because I was getting too much negativity on the “good thing” part of the title.

                I did not even intended as bait, I meant it as “it’s a good thing that the community will stop thinking that everything is fine and actually reflect about how to fix it”. That was my first comment with the post, but it got buried into the rest of the reactions.

                Later threads like https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/2243096 and https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/2241408 seem to show that some people are indeed becoming aware of the issues.

              • Lucia@eviltoast.org
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                Yeah, I saw it too. Seems like OP wanted to bait to read the post text and not just scroll away with dreadful thoughts.

                • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.deOP
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  I did edit it, because I was getting too much negativity on the “good thing” part of the title.

                  I did not even intended as bait, I meant it as “it’s a good thing that the community will stop thinking that everything is fine and actually reflect about how to fix it”. That was my first comment with the post, but it got buried into the rest of the reactions.

                  Later threads like https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/2243096 and https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/2241408 seem to show that some people are indeed becoming aware of the issues.

                  • Lucia@eviltoast.org
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    It seems the discussion moved to a doomy direction though. People kinda just read the title and then say that lemmy is basically dead and we should move back, etc.

                • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.deOP
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  I did edit it, because I was getting too much negativity on the “good thing” part of the title.

                  I did not even intended as bait, I meant it as “it’s a good thing that the community will stop thinking that everything is fine and actually reflect about how to fix it”. That was my first comment with the post, but it got buried into the rest of the reactions.

                  Later threads like https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/2243096 and https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/2241408 seem to show that some people are indeed becoming aware of the issues.

            • Kushan@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              growth hasn’t stopped, it was just overtaken by the drop in Lemmy users

              Can you explain to me how this isn’t a complete contradiction? How has growth not stopped while users have? That doesn’t make any sense to me. Are we saying there’s user growth or not?

              That’s why I pointed out on the fact user growth never stopped - Lemmy’s still attracting new users, just people who weren’t interested in lemmy in the first place decided to leave.

              I’m trying to understand your viewpoint here, but I’m just not getting it. Overall users are in decline, that’s not good. Sure, I have no doubt that we’re still attracting new users but we’re still losing users as well - more than we’re attracting. We’re at a net loss of users and that’s not good.

              • Lucia@eviltoast.org
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                1 year ago

                You said Lemmy can’t attract new users at this point, I provided the evidence new people are this getting into the platform, it’s just that statistics is overrided by people leaving us since reddit became usable yet again. It’s one-time event though, just like reddit exodus was, so user growth will be positive again soon.

                • Kushan@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  You said Lemmy can’t attract new users at this point

                  Can you please point out / quote where I said this?

      • cubedsteaks@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Okay but how do we fix it? Are we allowed to solicit on reddit just to get people here? Are Lemmy users even getting the word out about Lemmy?

        This isn’t exactly the easiest platform to use. The term “instances” is probably intimidating to the average reddit user who has to do nothing more than type “reddit.com” to get to where they need to be.