If you call Palestine what British Empire called Palestine, which is the territory of modern Jordan, modern Palestine and Israel, that’s right, the West supports Israel (democratic state, by the way, where Arabs and Muslims have the same rights, as opposed theocracies or monarchies of surrounding countries) right to exist. The West does not support annexation of the occupied territories, and in general the West supports two state solution. And so is Biden.
While the Arab citizens of Israel are treated much better than non-citizens in Gaza, Golan Heights, and the West Bank (and arguably have better rights than even other Muslum states), they are still subject to systemic racism. Their political voice is actively surpressed, not surprising as a Zionist Israel cannot otherwise survive if Jews became a political minority within the country, which is another reason Arabs do not have the “Right to Return”. Here’s one source for you: https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel
While the Arab citizens of Israel are treated much better than non-citizens in Gaza, Golan Heights, and the West Bank (and arguably have better rights than even other Muslum states), they are still subject to systemic racism.
You know, I probably agree with all that, but when a person denies right of Israel to exists on the grounds that it is ethnostate, while obviously supporting the right of full Palestinian state to exist, I have to point to this hypocrisy. And it is not just that non-citizents of Gaza are treated worse than non-jews of Israel. Citizens of Gaza are treated worse (have less rights) than Arabs in Israel.
Same by the way goes for blaming Israel to be Zionist, and at the same time supporting Islamist goal of destroying Israel.
Do I personally defend and support Zionism? No. But for sure I support Islamism of Gaza government (Hamas) even less.
I’m not calling it an ethnostate or saying they are living under apartheid, nor saying River to the Sea. Just making a point. I don’t know how to balance freedom vs Sharia law, or even if it is possible in a secular democratic country in that region. It would eventually come to that if Arabs had a majority of citizenship. But i do believe Israel deserves to exist for the Jews. And that the Arabs in Gaza, Isreal, and everywhere else deserve freedom to live their lives. l feel I know the history pretty well, and I think Biden is doing as well as he can with the situation. But the whole situation is fucked. The US killed a lot more civilians in the war on terror, and I hate that, but I am content that Bin Laden sleeps with the fishes. It’s hard for me to criticize Israel, while at the same time believing Hamas should be destroyed. But that means they go into Rafah and more kids die. War is hell. Simple as that. Fuck Netanyahu and fuck Hamas.
When Joe Biden met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war cabinet during his visit to Israel, the U.S. president assured them: “I don’t believe you have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, and I am a Zionist.”
I want to be with you on this, but the West is clearly materially supporting expansion. If they’re expanding and we’re still sending ammunition, then we’re supporting Zionism.
I do believe there’s also quite a bit of anti-Biden agitprop here. Which can have a grain of truth without being completely true.
The West does not support Zionism (expansionism of Israel). The West does, however, support right of Israel to exist.
“The west doesn’t support a Jewish ethnostate state in Palestine, it supports the right for a Jewish ethnostate state in Palestine to exist.”
Hmmm right.
If you call Palestine what British Empire called Palestine, which is the territory of modern Jordan, modern Palestine and Israel, that’s right, the West supports Israel (democratic state, by the way, where Arabs and Muslims have the same rights, as opposed theocracies or monarchies of surrounding countries) right to exist. The West does not support annexation of the occupied territories, and in general the West supports two state solution. And so is Biden.
While the Arab citizens of Israel are treated much better than non-citizens in Gaza, Golan Heights, and the West Bank (and arguably have better rights than even other Muslum states), they are still subject to systemic racism. Their political voice is actively surpressed, not surprising as a Zionist Israel cannot otherwise survive if Jews became a political minority within the country, which is another reason Arabs do not have the “Right to Return”. Here’s one source for you: https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel
You know, I probably agree with all that, but when a person denies right of Israel to exists on the grounds that it is ethnostate, while obviously supporting the right of full Palestinian state to exist, I have to point to this hypocrisy. And it is not just that non-citizents of Gaza are treated worse than non-jews of Israel. Citizens of Gaza are treated worse (have less rights) than Arabs in Israel.
Same by the way goes for blaming Israel to be Zionist, and at the same time supporting Islamist goal of destroying Israel.
Do I personally defend and support Zionism? No. But for sure I support Islamism of Gaza government (Hamas) even less.
I’m not calling it an ethnostate or saying they are living under apartheid, nor saying River to the Sea. Just making a point. I don’t know how to balance freedom vs Sharia law, or even if it is possible in a secular democratic country in that region. It would eventually come to that if Arabs had a majority of citizenship. But i do believe Israel deserves to exist for the Jews. And that the Arabs in Gaza, Isreal, and everywhere else deserve freedom to live their lives. l feel I know the history pretty well, and I think Biden is doing as well as he can with the situation. But the whole situation is fucked. The US killed a lot more civilians in the war on terror, and I hate that, but I am content that Bin Laden sleeps with the fishes. It’s hard for me to criticize Israel, while at the same time believing Hamas should be destroyed. But that means they go into Rafah and more kids die. War is hell. Simple as that. Fuck Netanyahu and fuck Hamas.
Do you mean “the west” doesn’t support Biden?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens-lifelong-bond-with-israel-shapes-war-policy-2023-10-21/
I’d agree that most people planning on voting for him are really just voting against trump again.
But the sitting US president literally calls himself a Zionist…
It depends what you call Zionism. If it is to capture all historical Israel land (essentially annex occupied territories) then Biden is not Zionist.
What?
Name one time Israel’s land area got smaller.
It’s only increased since it’s been created…
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That’s not Israel’s land getting smaller, and only one link works…
You’ve been reported a lot for misinformation in this thread, because you keep saying things that aren’t true.
I didn’t remove your comments tho because the people responding to you provided good sources info.
But since this isn’t a major community, people that do what you’re doing tend to get banned.
If you’re making dubious claims against sourced comments, source your stuff. And don’t just post random links and think that’s enough.
I am sorry, what dubious claims I provided? And was it me who provided the sources (Wikipedia)? I am genuinely confused by your statement.
I want to be with you on this, but the West is clearly materially supporting expansion. If they’re expanding and we’re still sending ammunition, then we’re supporting Zionism.
I do believe there’s also quite a bit of anti-Biden agitprop here. Which can have a grain of truth without being completely true.