• illi@lemm.ee
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    6 months ago

    Small incremental changes are easier to make than big ones. It is also better to have many people reducing meat than just a few full vegans.

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        6 months ago

        In my experience they often do go vegan overnight though. The key tends to be actually connecting the food on your plate with where it came from and accepting that animals are capable of suffering. Once that connection is made, animal products simply aren’t seen as food anymore and going vegan overnight is the only logical conclusion.

        Some people may be further along the spectrum towards being vegan when this connection is actually made but regardless of if you are vegetarian, “only eat free range meat”, or an unapologetic meat eater, once the connection is made they are vegan.

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      6 months ago

      The word easier here is a choice. What is more comfortable is easier, but eating a plant based diet is very easy. It’s cheaper and widely available in most countries. What you mean by easier really refers to more comfortable, not really to there being less physical obstacles

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        6 months ago

        It is easy once you are in, know what are the good vegan meals and how to cook them etc. Most people will have animal product for each meal - they don’t know better. To them vegans just eat salads and nuts, which is obviously not enticing. If they don’t take the easy way, they will just continue the only way they know how and change nothing.

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          I agree with you. I guess the difference lies in that I would call that laziness. Not knowing how to eat balanced meals (or more precisely, not looking it up), it’s not a matter of it being hard or easy. It’s a matter of simply doing it. All the information is out there and at a level anyone who can read will understand

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            6 months ago

            I mean, you are not wrong. In a way easy way is always the lazy way - doesn’t mean it is wrong. It can be daunting. Some people will take the fast, but hard way. Some people will take the longer/ but easy. If you end up in same destination, it’s a win in the end.

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              6 months ago

              Some people will take the fast, but hard way. Some people will take the longer/ but easy. If you end up in same destination, it’s a win in the end.

              I guess you meant to say fast but easy, or longer but hard, right?

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                6 months ago

                I meant fast as in complete veganism overnight (hard) over slow, gradual change to eventually get to complete veganism (easier).

                It’s not the usual way the phrase goes I guess, or I just worded it badly

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                  6 months ago

                  Aaaah ok ye now I get it.

                  I guess ultimately the end process is what’s important, there I agree with you. However, with ethical issues, or matters of principle, you could argue time is of the essence.

                  For example, if the Western world had taken 30 more years in embracing the importance of LGTBIQ+ rights, we would be now at the same place as the likes of Russia or Saudi Arabia, which is a place we feel good about not being.

                  So in a way yes, the end result is what matters, but in the meantime it does kinda sucks to live in a society that normalizes something that will undoubtedly be considered morally wrong and unethical in the future

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                    6 months ago

                    Totally! My point was that it’s better slow than not at all. But obviously the faster the better.