This is literally about saving black ppls lives dude get a clue.
Google how many black ppl die every year from smoking and then Google what percentage of menthol smokers are white and then sit down and shut the fuck up.
So if they banned malt liquor on the grounds of saving black lives, that wouldn’t be racist? What about fried chicken? Fried food causes cardiovascular disease. Orange soda causes diabetes.
But that’s not even the point. The point is, he was going to ban them because they’re bad for you, but decided not to for the votes because black people smoke newports or something. he’s letting them die so he can get reelected
So you’re implying black people aren’t responsible enough to make their own decisions about their health and they need the feds to ban something they like for their own good. That’s the most white savior shit I’ve ever heard
I assume that they are a white conservative who has never talked with a Black person or they don’t know anything about US Black culture. In reality, menthols are super popular among Black smokers. I assume they think it’s a racial stereotype instead of reality.
I mean why ban JUST menthol cigarettes. Yes they’re not good for you. No cigarettes are. It seemed to be an odd move unless they are somehow out and away much worse. That and yes. Bans are often useless. Money would be better spent addressing the factors that make people want to smoke and provide better alternatives. It’d be cheaper and more effective. I think the only down side to it is a threat to corporate profits. Which is a good downside to have if you ask me.
Is there a “predominantly white” flavor of cigarette? Can you explain how you would take steps to ban cigarettes, without “targeting minorities” and without an immediate outright ban?
I wouldn’t take steps to ban cigarettes. Prohibition never stops people from doing what they want to do, usually makes things worse, and usually disproportionally affects minorities.
Because they’re worse than regular cigarettes for multiple reasons. You tend to inhale longer and more deeply which is worse for your lungs, you might even smoke more since you don’t feel the smoke and they don’t really fix the whole craving, they were at least in the EU also more popular among young kids and generally more addicting.
I’m no expert. My natural reaction is those arguments sound specious. But not out of the question. Do you have a link to something solid. Reporting/research to share on this. Would be interesting if true. Like I said I’m not an expert. Not even a smoker. Had no one in my immediate family has smoked since the mid-1980s. So I have little doubt there are gaps in my knowledge.
Not every Black person likes menthol, and lots of people of different ethnicities smoke the hell out of them.
This says it was done explicitly to win over Black voters…
Like, if Biden wanted to make up for his border comments by mandating Taco Tuesday at the White House.
Or since he didn’t decriminalize cannabis federally, he gives every American a coupon for a free slushie from 7/11.
Or gave advocoda toast to everyone over 30 that can’t afford to buy a house in America.
Like, fried chicken and watermelon isn’t racist, it’s delicious. But if you daughter is dating a Black man and that’s what for dinner the first time he comes over. It’s questionable.
But if you tell him you made it to win him and over and prove your not racist…
By saying the reason is to win over specifically that demographic, it means you’re so out of touch you don’t realize that makes it more racist. You’re throwing away any plausible deniability.
Even if it’s good intentioned, it’s a racial stereotype you’re just voluntarily telling everyone you believe in.
I’m a dem voter and non-smoker, but this issue was pushing me away. I also felt that this law disproportionally targeted black people, and I’m glad that it isn’t going anywhere.
Just Biden and the DNC being casually racist and completely out of touch with Dem voters…
Again.
This…this is literally them listening to their voters?
They wanted to do something, and their voters said “we don’t like that”, so they stopped.
So many things to complain about this president, but this little story is good news if we want the president to listen to voters.
No, this is them trying something most Black.people don’t give a fuck about.
But stereotypes say they do.
So they do this, rather than something real people actually want, like:
Healthcare
Student loans
Taxing the rich
Not funding a genocide
Holding the wealthy accountable
Etc…
Way to admit you don’t know any Black people rofl
This is literally about saving black ppls lives dude get a clue. Google how many black ppl die every year from smoking and then Google what percentage of menthol smokers are white and then sit down and shut the fuck up.
So if they banned malt liquor on the grounds of saving black lives, that wouldn’t be racist? What about fried chicken? Fried food causes cardiovascular disease. Orange soda causes diabetes.
But that’s not even the point. The point is, he was going to ban them because they’re bad for you, but decided not to for the votes because black people smoke newports or something. he’s letting them die so he can get reelected
So you’re implying black people aren’t responsible enough to make their own decisions about their health and they need the feds to ban something they like for their own good. That’s the most white savior shit I’ve ever heard
Who the fuck cares if someone is smoking, menthol, or regular, like what’s the point?
Menthol makes tobacco more addictive, so it’s more harmful than without. That’s the point of the ban in the first place
That’s just straight up not true.
And who cares. Let people have their vices. Stop trying to police people’s bodies.
I’m not a proponent of banning drugs, just trying to find some reasoning behind it.
So it’s racist if he bans them and racist if he doesn’t. Cool. Got it. That’s not stupid at all.
Could you explain?
I assume that they are a white conservative who has never talked with a Black person or they don’t know anything about US Black culture. In reality, menthols are super popular among Black smokers. I assume they think it’s a racial stereotype instead of reality.
I mean why ban JUST menthol cigarettes. Yes they’re not good for you. No cigarettes are. It seemed to be an odd move unless they are somehow out and away much worse. That and yes. Bans are often useless. Money would be better spent addressing the factors that make people want to smoke and provide better alternatives. It’d be cheaper and more effective. I think the only down side to it is a threat to corporate profits. Which is a good downside to have if you ask me.
Because change like this happens by degrees.
Funny how often these changes target minorities first and then go no further
Is there a “predominantly white” flavor of cigarette? Can you explain how you would take steps to ban cigarettes, without “targeting minorities” and without an immediate outright ban?
I wouldn’t take steps to ban cigarettes. Prohibition never stops people from doing what they want to do, usually makes things worse, and usually disproportionally affects minorities.
Sure, okay. What steps towards making cigarettes less appealing to the general population would you take?
And yet, overall. Smoking reduction efforts in the US have been pretty effective.
Because they’re worse than regular cigarettes for multiple reasons. You tend to inhale longer and more deeply which is worse for your lungs, you might even smoke more since you don’t feel the smoke and they don’t really fix the whole craving, they were at least in the EU also more popular among young kids and generally more addicting.
I’m no expert. My natural reaction is those arguments sound specious. But not out of the question. Do you have a link to something solid. Reporting/research to share on this. Would be interesting if true. Like I said I’m not an expert. Not even a smoker. Had no one in my immediate family has smoked since the mid-1980s. So I have little doubt there are gaps in my knowledge.
Not every Black person likes menthol, and lots of people of different ethnicities smoke the hell out of them.
This says it was done explicitly to win over Black voters…
Like, if Biden wanted to make up for his border comments by mandating Taco Tuesday at the White House.
Or since he didn’t decriminalize cannabis federally, he gives every American a coupon for a free slushie from 7/11.
Or gave advocoda toast to everyone over 30 that can’t afford to buy a house in America.
Like, fried chicken and watermelon isn’t racist, it’s delicious. But if you daughter is dating a Black man and that’s what for dinner the first time he comes over. It’s questionable.
But if you tell him you made it to win him and over and prove your not racist…
By saying the reason is to win over specifically that demographic, it means you’re so out of touch you don’t realize that makes it more racist. You’re throwing away any plausible deniability.
Even if it’s good intentioned, it’s a racial stereotype you’re just voluntarily telling everyone you believe in.
I’m a dem voter and non-smoker, but this issue was pushing me away. I also felt that this law disproportionally targeted black people, and I’m glad that it isn’t going anywhere.
So I guess he wasn’t completely out of touch.