• gregorum@lemm.ee
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    5 months ago

    Proof that protest works.

    Go ahead, downvote because you’re mad that I’m right.

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        5 months ago

        Even if you could ever provide evidence to back up your claim, which, historically, you never could, protest voters always signify a tiny block of voters, none of whom could ever hope to sway any kind of national election vote. Your point is moot.

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          I’m so confused.

          Aren’t you two agreeing with each other, that protests work and protestors vote?

          A protest vote is something else entirely.

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            You are confused because you think that there is one solution that always works for every situation. There is not.

            Every situation requires a nuanced and particular approach. This is again one of those times.

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              I’m only confused because I can’t understand the conflict between the two statements. I certainly don’t disagree with your second paragraph.

              If you think he was saying the protesters will not vote for Biden, I kind of understand your point but that is also part of why Biden may be making the changes he is, which means again that you are both right - assuming the protesters decide Biden is worth voting for.

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          Well, it was an admittedly flippant comment done in passing in an effort to highlight the fact that regardless of any perceived proximal effect, protesters are still part of the electorate. What’s more though, is the effect the protest has on opinions of the wider electorate, which is where I would wager we move from a protest vote and into the area where major change can occur.

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      Upvoted because I’m happy you’re right. Biden will lose to the orange criminal if he doesn’t stand up and stop money and weapons to Israel. America is fucked if it keeps supporting Israel.

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        I think you’re overestimating how many voters are deeply against Israel’s assault on Palestine, while also underestimating the ability of those virtuous people to understand the landslide of harmful outcomes that would come with another trump presidency.

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          Trump won without the popular vote. He won Michigan by ~10,000 votes in 2016. I’m not the one who decided this system, but this system doesn’t give a shit about the majority. It doesn’t take much to sway the balance.

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            You’re the one making the extraordinary claim that this decision had ‘nothing’ to do with massive, nation-wide, broadly covered protests occurring in a hotly contested election year amongst a key demographic.

            So, prove it.

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              Ahh. So when one person makes a claim that’s unproven, but you believe it- the onus is on the person that asks it to be proven to prove it isn’t?

              Sorry, but that’s not how it works…

              There is zero evidence to support the statement that this has anything to do with protests. ZERO. you cannot prove it.

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                I’ll save us both a lot of frustration and wasted time and simply refer you back to my first comment.

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                  I’ll also save us both a lot of frustration and wasted time and simply refer you back to my first comment.

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                    That’s just it though. Neither of us can point to a causal chain of events conclusively proving or disproving our belief.

                    The difference is, my belief is fully compatible with the mountain of circumstantial evidence mentioned in my above comment, whereas your belief requires one to completely ignore all of it.

                    So you’re going to look at a decision in the heat of an enormously momentous election year, made by a president who is running for reelection, amidst numerous, widespread, widely covered protests made largely by a demographic that is absolutely critical to this candidate-president winning said election…You’re going to look at all that and say it had ‘nothing to do’ with those same protests.

                    Not, ‘there were other factors’, nope, you confidently assert the protests had nothing to do with it and demand proof of a suggestion to the contrary.

                    Once again, check your tether.

                    You start distorting reality, and it gets tough to stop, by nature.

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          Can’t prove a negative. Prove it was a result of protests. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Also… I asked first.

          I’ll be waiting.

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            Can’t prove a negative.

            Nobody asked you to.

            I asked first

            No, you didn’t.