The law is meant to be used against serious organized crime groups like the Mafia. It requires fairly serious crimes being planned and commited by the group to be used, which carry at least two years of prison for them. The problem with it, is that is that ‘forming a criminal organisation’ means 5 years of prision for any member and 3 years for a supporter.
This could mean that the German government locks up basically the entire German climate movement.
You must be laughably sheltered if blocking traffic as a form of protest is something you consider to be a “serious crime”. And yes, climate terrorists is kinda the next consequential step if you make protesting illegal.
I am not talking about a road. Interrupting air traffic is a crime with up to 10 years of prison. There is a difference between people in cars and people’s in flying cans that at some point run out of fuel. At least this is the reasoning behind this. Not saying that was the case for this incident. Just why this law exists.
Planes have plenty of excess fuel, enough that they often dump huge portions of it mid flight. This is a very overblown point, especially when they often circle for quite a long time over the airports anyway. Either way, the point of it obviously is that they shouldn’t be flying in the first place.
Says the one writing on a device some text, and sending it to a server. And both pieces of hardware are send around the world multiple times. Their raw resources, assembled parts and the whole systems.
But: we need alternatives to fossils fuel for planes. And, of course, short range flights or flying to Mallorcavjust to drink,puke and piss, should be forbidden.
We can’t remove planes without removing a huge part of the stuff that we are dependent on every single day.
To find compromises, we have to start at the extremes. But there is no seek for compromise. And after all, we are to late for compromises.
And btw, if you read my comments, I also don’t assume that anybody was in danger. But imagine someone disturbs air traffic vor 4-8 hours?
I just explained why there is a law against such things.
If you think me writing a few comments on the Fediverse is even comparable to the emissions of even a single plane flight, then you’re having some serious struggles in understanding the scope of how much planes pollute. Hell, my entire footprint is probably about 1/20th of that of your average person in the West. I don’t even have warm water, or a fridge, my phone is years old and my hardware old midrange at best. I literally slept on the freaking floor for years. Welcome to the poverty line. But please, educate me more about how much me arguing with you is going to destroy the planet.
And yes, we can remove a good majority of the planes in the sky very easily, because most of it is just for people’s comfort, laziness and entitlement.
This is a legal term and civil disobedience has never been punished like this by German authorities. It was mainly a fine and maybe a few days in prison and not years.
dangerous interference with air traffic (up to 10 years in prison)
Only for the airport actions. The law is targeted at every organization where the primary goal is to commit crimes. We can argue about that part, but that does not mean that this was an expected step by the prosecution. (The government is not involved in criminal prosecution btw …)
Just to be clear, I am not defending the prosecutors here. Or the last generation.
The law is meant to be used against serious organized crime groups like the Mafia. It requires fairly serious crimes being planned and commited by the group to be used, which carry at least two years of prison for them. The problem with it, is that is that ‘forming a criminal organisation’ means 5 years of prision for any member and 3 years for a supporter.
This could mean that the German government locks up basically the entire German climate movement.
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You must be laughably sheltered if blocking traffic as a form of protest is something you consider to be a “serious crime”. And yes, climate terrorists is kinda the next consequential step if you make protesting illegal.
It is in the fucking StGB. Neither you nor me define what a serious crime is, the law does. Do I agree? No. But it is still the law.
Every single protest blocks traffic my dude. And no, not everything in the StGB is a “serious crime”. Learn some nuance.
I am not talking about a road. Interrupting air traffic is a crime with up to 10 years of prison. There is a difference between people in cars and people’s in flying cans that at some point run out of fuel. At least this is the reasoning behind this. Not saying that was the case for this incident. Just why this law exists.
Planes have plenty of excess fuel, enough that they often dump huge portions of it mid flight. This is a very overblown point, especially when they often circle for quite a long time over the airports anyway. Either way, the point of it obviously is that they shouldn’t be flying in the first place.
Says the one writing on a device some text, and sending it to a server. And both pieces of hardware are send around the world multiple times. Their raw resources, assembled parts and the whole systems.
But: we need alternatives to fossils fuel for planes. And, of course, short range flights or flying to Mallorcavjust to drink,puke and piss, should be forbidden.
We can’t remove planes without removing a huge part of the stuff that we are dependent on every single day.
To find compromises, we have to start at the extremes. But there is no seek for compromise. And after all, we are to late for compromises.
And btw, if you read my comments, I also don’t assume that anybody was in danger. But imagine someone disturbs air traffic vor 4-8 hours? I just explained why there is a law against such things.
If you think me writing a few comments on the Fediverse is even comparable to the emissions of even a single plane flight, then you’re having some serious struggles in understanding the scope of how much planes pollute. Hell, my entire footprint is probably about 1/20th of that of your average person in the West. I don’t even have warm water, or a fridge, my phone is years old and my hardware old midrange at best. I literally slept on the freaking floor for years. Welcome to the poverty line. But please, educate me more about how much me arguing with you is going to destroy the planet.
And yes, we can remove a good majority of the planes in the sky very easily, because most of it is just for people’s comfort, laziness and entitlement.
This is a legal term and civil disobedience has never been punished like this by German authorities. It was mainly a fine and maybe a few days in prison and not years.
We are talking about:
Only for the airport actions. The law is targeted at every organization where the primary goal is to commit crimes. We can argue about that part, but that does not mean that this was an expected step by the prosecution. (The government is not involved in criminal prosecution btw …)
Just to be clear, I am not defending the prosecutors here. Or the last generation.