This isn’t bitching so much as a curiosity. Here in Lemmy.ml, would it be considered abusive for an admin to actively participate in a discussion, then get upset and delete the same comments they themselves have been replying to?

I’d just like to clarify the administration posture of this instance. There are lots of accusations of unfairness here. I don’t know if that’s an individualistic thing or a matter of policy.

Mainly asking so I can more easily identify what discussions are not safe to participate in.

Cheers!

Tl;Dr: No, avoid conversations with mods/admins

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    Idk if it’s actually a lemmy.ml thing or what, but coming from lemmy.world, every time I see a post from .ml, like half of the comments have been deleted by moderator(s). In general, .ml seems to have really heavy handed censorship and it gives me a really bad perception of .ml overall.

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      it looks like OP was posting CIA propaganda. Here are some resources:

      Actual footage from Tiananmen square as covered by the CPC
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8dqOuHqcBQ
      https://youtu.be/7bl_cyYHwNQ
      Explanation of what happened https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/

      Translation of official government explanation
      https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/

      Tankman full vid
      https://youtu.be/GRb4VY2dU4c

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        So your assertion is that Tiananmen square didn’t happen, and the OP was banned for saying that it did happen?

        Edit: does anybody else find it suspicious that this comment is this account’s only one?

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          It’s highly suspicious yes, lol

          Also not what I posted

          I also wasn’t banned so… idk.

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            You injected discussions about Tiananmen Square into this debate. It came out of nowhere.

            And I simply don’t accept the official Chinese picture of what happened. There is plenty of evidence of what happened.

            What I do accept is the nuance. But you’d have to read the rest of my responses to understand that.

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              No I did not. I am replying to the guy that mentioned tiananmen square. I don’t know if I replied to the wrong person or what. And the rest of my response is as follows:

              Huh? The point is not to accept a single source as authorative. If you watched the videos you’d realize the western account is a complete fabrication. You obvious didn’t look at them at all.

              Examine ALL evidence from the event. Testimony from the Chilean embassador who was nearby at the time. All videos, photo, WikiLeaks diplomatic cables.

              I don’t think you’re here on good faith as you seem to have no intellectual curiosity. I was SHOCKED when I saw the full tank man video and the footage of moloktov cocktails being thrown.

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      I agree there. Then you look at the mod log and it’s stuff like “Hamas is bad” or “Stalin wasn’t so great” Or “China is pretty capitalist”

      Then you look through the mod log and something like 50% or more of removed comments are all from .ml

      Definitely wouldn’t make it my home instance

      This is the post that made me think about it

      Compare the deleted comments to the mod log and it’s just like… wuht?

      And every single post in the thread was deleted by the same guy, who just drops the same post with a ton of links to questionable sources to every comment before deleting them.

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        https://lemmy.ml/post/15817802

        Yeah my post there got removed and in my inbox it was cited as ‘Spam,’ even though I was commenting on how that post had (as I said previously) most of the comments removed by moderator(s).

        Tbh .ml is feeling less and less hospitable every time I interact with the instance, which sucks cause when reddit fell, .ml was my go-to. I don’t even want to use my .ml account anymore on principle.

        Here's a pic just in case that one gets deleted.

        New Edit: they removed my comment calling them out and I didn’t even get a message saying why (as if I don’t already know). I’ve also updated the link to go to the main thread, since my comments there get deleted by whatever fascist mod is doing it.

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    I’ve been part of moderating a subreddit that has a loose conflict of interest policy, so I’ll throw in my two cents. Our policy is to avoid commenting and moderating in the same thread. There are some exceptions, like with particularly egregious violations. But even then, replying to the comment, deleting it, then banning the user would be considered an abuse of power. Instead, the common practice is to just report it for other moderators without a CoI to deal with.

    I consider a conflict of interest policy to be as much about protecting the community itself as anything. Many online communities have run into trouble when someone with elevated permissions like a moderator is even perceived as having abused their powers. Community splits or failures have happened over even just one moderator “power tripping.” That’s why it’s necessary for moderators to put some restraints on themselves to maintain community trust.

    The post that inspired this one had upward of 15 people given a site ban in a post with 80 comments. Several of those had a reply from the banning admin. The bans themselves may have been justified, but the optics are terrible. That’s exactly the sort of thing that has a history of eroding community trust. Even for people who have the aim of an instance for Marxist-Leninist thought, there are going to be schisms. Setting boundaries is necessary to preempt problems.

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    I like being on an instance where trolls get banned. It was a fun hobby to check in during reddit exodus, see some garbage comments and guess how long it’d take for it to be banned. The internet is full of freeze-peach reactionary havens. Lemmy.ml is luckily not one of them

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    Depends on the comment. You can both address the issues of a comment and remove it if it breaks the rules.

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      My own experience was having a full, hours long debate with a mod, who after I didn’t just accept their world view simply deleted all my comments and banned me. They left their own comments and arguments of course.

      In the kiddo’s it just says “rule 2” as explanation for my ban and the deleted comments, but “rule 2” was about NSFW posts. Our conversation was about whether mediabiasfactcheck can be used as a tool to assess news sources. I kept it respectful. Nothing at all NSFW about it.

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        I’d have to see what actually happened, I can’t just take your word for it at face-value.

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          It would be in the mod log at worldnews, about four weeks ago. Since I couldn’t participate there I blocked the sub (before understood how lemmy worked), so I unfortunately cannot screenshot the exact comments. But it shouldn’t take a lot of effort if you’re actually interested.

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    You’re making an accusation without providing any evidence of the supposed abuses or unfairness. Why do you feel the need to spread FUD?

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    I was also banned and had all my comments removed after having a long debate with a mod on the world news sub. When I did not accept their viewpoint, they eventually nuked everything and just banned me.

    And the debate was all about whether government propaganda news sources were good sources of media. I was asserting that they weren’t and that you should be able to use whatever tools exist to assess them for bias.

    But they really don’t like it when you undermine their sources of information.

    It’s inevitably an alienating shit show whenever I have to interact with users from .ml, since they go out and pollute other instances.

    In fact, if you look at the history of many of the users in this thread who are upvoted for insulting you, you can see them polluting and insulting their way all over the place.

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    I am shocked just SHOCKED that a .ml admin would use such tactics. It isn’t hinted at at all by the community or it’s behavior (LMAO /s).

    Seriously, using mod powers to manipulate the conversation is a tankies wet dream. This isn’t surprising or even unexpected.