The part where the reality is we have a plurality voting system (“First past the post”) in place today.
We supposedly live in a democracy,
We do.
I’m voicing my opinion.
You are.
I’m not saying the rule of law should prevent you from doing what you’re doing (I’m not a fan of fascism). However, you’re being willfully ignorant if you acknowledge our plurality voting system, but claim your work convincing people not to vote for Biden doesn’t also helps Trump become president again.
You asked how you’re helping Trump. I answered. Once again you ignore the reality of the plurality voting system and refuse to acknowledge the consequences of your actions in helping Trump become president.
If you are so strong in your convictions, so honest in your statements, and so solid in your belief of what you’re doing is right, why is it so difficult for you to admit the reality of what you’re doing? Even if I don’t agree with what you’re doing and why, I don’t see why you dance so hard around the fact that plurality voting, with your actions to convince people not to vote for Biden, are helping Trump?
Again, you dance away and refuse to admit. I will say this is helpful though. Any post in the future only needs to be pointed to this flow of conversation and see where you stand. Every refusal you remove any ambiguity of miscommunication. Your willful ignorance is on full display. Thank you.
I don’t get it, what you detail is democracy, and these people are being hideous about it, if someone wants to vote third party then that’s they’re democratic right and to nag and ostracise someone for they’re democratic right is manipulative.
if someone wants to vote third party then that’s they’re democratic right and to nag and ostracise someone for they’re democratic right is manipulative.
Oh, right, only the people you agree with have the right to freedom of speech.
No I am glad to look through the comments and see everyone use they’re freedom in a dignified and informative way, when freedom of speech turns to calling someone a slur *(used as a slur perhaps) like fascist or form a fictitious narrative meant to repress and shame is when I take issue.
If the race is neck and neck, and you vote for Micky mouse because you wanna feel superior to everyone around you, all you’ve done is make things worse.
Depending on your location, you may have directly helped trump.
Wrong. In some cases, if your district is competitive, and you’ve decided to vote for not-trump, if you vote for anyone but the other competitive candidate (in this case Biden), you allow trump to pull ahead due to first past the post voting.
Edit: hypothetically if only 4 people vote,
2 for trump
1 for Biden
1 for mickey
Trump wins.
Edit edit or more compelling…
5 total voters.
2 for trump 1 for Biden 1 for Mickey and one abstains
Trump wins. If the mickey and the abstain voters don’t want trump, their best action was to vote for Biden, as that would have achieved:
Bullshit. All conditions I just laid out, were declared in my above comment. Including location dependence.
Edit because you seem to need help… The location dependence I’m referring to is that you need to be in a sufficiently competitive location for that clause to be relevant.
you said a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote for trump. you’re backing away from that now, softening the claim to say it “allows him to pull ahead”. I’m just trying to keep the rhetoric honest.
If the race is neck and neck, and you vote for Micky mouse because you wanna feel superior to everyone around you, all you’ve done is make things worse.
Depending on your location, you may have directly helped trump.
That does not say “a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote for trump”… There are explicit conditionals that you’re ignoring lol
Your anti Biden campaign is what counts here because a) we are all here and b) every voter who reads it is not in California. You want to hate Biden that’s totally fine and cool, but leave this hypocritical shit at home. You are an anti Biden loudspeaker around here, not an anti trump voice who likes Biden less.
Most of us see your posts and roll our eyes, but if you sour 10 minds to Biden and your vote doesn’t count, who are you helping? Not the non voters, not the voters who feel like you just posted (of which I am one), just the red hat brigade.
If you want to be for trump then do it, if you want to hate Biden do it, but you’re yanking our dicks around here and I for one don’t like it. Do what you want, but expect this kind of response from the community to keep worsening; not that a downvote ever hurt anybody.
Continue to downvoted but also fight back for Biden. Start posting some positive articles and listing his policies and accomplishments. Better yet, sign up to volunteer for the Biden campaign. Phone calls, texts, canvassing, etc. I tried to find the volunteer sign up on Biden’s website but I don’t see one though so maybe he doesn’t care about volunteers.
As I rule I don’t post because I get too sucked into it instead of, you know, being a good dad lol. Yes I also have not found a Biden volunteer option besides cold calling, so I walk for my state rep in my down time instead.
This may not be as credible as your meme, but CNN points out the “spoiler effects” of third-party candidates. They very rarely even receive a Electoral College vote.
Where’s the part where it helps Trump? We supposedly live in a democracy, I’m voicing my opinion.
The part where the reality is we have a plurality voting system (“First past the post”) in place today.
We do.
You are.
I’m not saying the rule of law should prevent you from doing what you’re doing (I’m not a fan of fascism). However, you’re being willfully ignorant if you acknowledge our plurality voting system, but claim your work convincing people not to vote for Biden doesn’t also helps Trump become president again.
Vote for whoever you want. Biden, Trump, third party, write in, don’t vote, your choice. Democracy at work.
You asked how you’re helping Trump. I answered. Once again you ignore the reality of the plurality voting system and refuse to acknowledge the consequences of your actions in helping Trump become president.
I guess every NBC News, CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, news orgs that dare criticize Biden are all “helping Trump” too then, right?
Sorry, I’m not taking your distraction bait.
If you are so strong in your convictions, so honest in your statements, and so solid in your belief of what you’re doing is right, why is it so difficult for you to admit the reality of what you’re doing? Even if I don’t agree with what you’re doing and why, I don’t see why you dance so hard around the fact that plurality voting, with your actions to convince people not to vote for Biden, are helping Trump?
Why is that so hard for you to admit?
only votes for trump help trump.
That is factually untrue in the plurality voting system we have.
asserting it doesn’t make it so.
“oh no! Biden lost the whole election because of a meme on something called Lemmy!” Really?
If you base your vote or non-vote off of memes on a social media site…
Again, you dance away and refuse to admit. I will say this is helpful though. Any post in the future only needs to be pointed to this flow of conversation and see where you stand. Every refusal you remove any ambiguity of miscommunication. Your willful ignorance is on full display. Thank you.
Gurl I been saying the same shit for months. Ain’t nothing changed. Are you new here? Just ask @[email protected]
“if I just litter a little bit, it doesn’t really matter”
This is a discussion forum on a meta meme about online discourse about voting choices.
You are in a discussion with someone about your choice, but the point of the thread is for readers as well.
K
I don’t get it, what you detail is democracy, and these people are being hideous about it, if someone wants to vote third party then that’s they’re democratic right and to nag and ostracise someone for they’re democratic right is manipulative.
Oh, right, only the people you agree with have the right to freedom of speech.
No I am glad to look through the comments and see everyone use they’re freedom in a dignified and informative way, when freedom of speech turns to calling someone a slur *(used as a slur perhaps) like fascist or form a fictitious narrative meant to repress and shame is when I take issue.
It’s nothing new. They scream and voter shame every election year. Been dealing with this for awhile now.
Its reductive and sickening.
Keep doing you mate.
If the race is neck and neck, and you vote for Micky mouse because you wanna feel superior to everyone around you, all you’ve done is make things worse.
Depending on your location, you may have directly helped trump.
a vote for mickey mouse doesn’t help trump. only a vote for trump helps trump.
Wrong. In some cases, if your district is competitive, and you’ve decided to vote for not-trump, if you vote for anyone but the other competitive candidate (in this case Biden), you allow trump to pull ahead due to first past the post voting.
Edit: hypothetically if only 4 people vote,
2 for trump 1 for Biden 1 for mickey
Trump wins.
Edit edit or more compelling…
5 total voters.
2 for trump 1 for Biden 1 for Mickey and one abstains
Trump wins. If the mickey and the abstain voters don’t want trump, their best action was to vote for Biden, as that would have achieved:
2 for trump 3 for Biden 0 for mickey.
Biden wins.
You’re already moving the goalposts.
Bullshit. All conditions I just laid out, were declared in my above comment. Including location dependence.
Edit because you seem to need help… The location dependence I’m referring to is that you need to be in a sufficiently competitive location for that clause to be relevant.
you said a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote for trump. you’re backing away from that now, softening the claim to say it “allows him to pull ahead”. I’m just trying to keep the rhetoric honest.
Quote me punk or delete your comment
anyone can read this thread.
That does not say “a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote for trump”… There are explicit conditionals that you’re ignoring lol
Calm down. I’m in California. My vote doesn’t count.
Go cry to the 65 million that don’t vote at all.
This is a thread with you in it, not a broadcast to all possible non voters.
Are you the politics police?
No but I’ll happily call out people manipulating context to maliciously try to deflect and derail.
Your anti Biden campaign is what counts here because a) we are all here and b) every voter who reads it is not in California. You want to hate Biden that’s totally fine and cool, but leave this hypocritical shit at home. You are an anti Biden loudspeaker around here, not an anti trump voice who likes Biden less.
Most of us see your posts and roll our eyes, but if you sour 10 minds to Biden and your vote doesn’t count, who are you helping? Not the non voters, not the voters who feel like you just posted (of which I am one), just the red hat brigade.
If you want to be for trump then do it, if you want to hate Biden do it, but you’re yanking our dicks around here and I for one don’t like it. Do what you want, but expect this kind of response from the community to keep worsening; not that a downvote ever hurt anybody.
Continue to downvoted but also fight back for Biden. Start posting some positive articles and listing his policies and accomplishments. Better yet, sign up to volunteer for the Biden campaign. Phone calls, texts, canvassing, etc. I tried to find the volunteer sign up on Biden’s website but I don’t see one though so maybe he doesn’t care about volunteers.
As I rule I don’t post because I get too sucked into it instead of, you know, being a good dad lol. Yes I also have not found a Biden volunteer option besides cold calling, so I walk for my state rep in my down time instead.
This may not be as credible as your meme, but CNN points out the “spoiler effects” of third-party candidates. They very rarely even receive a Electoral College vote.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/17/politics/third-parties-elections-what-matters/index.html