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In the last 5 years alone, the 200 most politically active companies in the U.S. spent $5.8 billion influencing our government with lobbying and campaign contributions. Those same companies got $4.4 trillion in taxpayer support — earning a return of 750 times their investment.
An no one bats an eye… you should be rioting in the streets
If we replaced first past the post voting with a more representative electoral system, we could inject competition into the electoral process.
Then maybe they would have to care.
Representatives chosen by sortition like jury duty would be more representative compared to what we currently have, and that’s such a wild thought.
Isn’t there something we as a people are meant to do when the government fails to serve us? 🤔 Asking for a friend.
You don’t vote for people who don’t represent you.
Our first past the post voting system is mathematically flawed to always result in a two party system through strategic voting.
People are not free to vote for who best represents them because they would let someone who represents them even less win the election.
While this spoiler effect is inherent in First Past The Post voting, there are other voting systems where there is no spoiler effect.
So here we are, chained in the trunk of the car these two legacy political parties drove off a cliff into a river.
And the Water rises… take a deep breath.
For that first part to work we must vote for better candidates at the lower level and stop voting for the media selected consensus candidate in primaries.
Otherwise we’re just disengaging from the system and letting two people pass the presidency back and forth.
Take a moment to stop focusing on the day-to-day so we can go out and water our trees.
2nd amendment. 😎
Yeah, it’s not like the public pays particularly well unlike bribery, I mean lobbying groups.
I don’t think people realize how much graft is built into the system.
- Bribery is near impossible to prove. (Thanks SCOTUS)
- You can effectively keep left over campaign funds.
- Insider trading does not apply to you.
- Your paycheck is expected to cover 2 offices, staff at each, 2 homes, frequent travel between them, and your political advisors.
- Fundraising is organized by the party, stay on their good side and you get help and resources to raise money. Introduced to the right people, etc. Get on the wrong side and get cut off.
It’s no wonder our elected representatives treat small donations like mana from heaven, we’re effectively paying them. And they treat the capitol building like a stock trading room because that’s their real retirement fund, their key to independence from the party.
Yeah, no shit.
There was s study about this year’s ago. They compared popularity of bills and how they were passed and there was no difference; Congress just did what they want. I suspect if your redid the study to compare bills passed to corporate interests you’d get much more revealing results.
They don’t like it if you tell them that you hope their family dies in a bloody revolution because they are were too cowardly to vote to convict Trump, though.
so i’ve heard
Is this a reference to some news article or did you get to have a chat with the FBI or something? I respect and support your First Amendment rights if it was the latter.
thank you citizens united
for those unaware: https://campaignlegal.org/update/how-does-citizens-united-decision-still-affect-us-2024
No one with power will ever pass laws to reduce their power, but a direct democracy would be very posible with modern technology.
That would be nice in the future. Unfortunately, the modern Web is not even in the ballpark of being secure enough for something like that (and it’s trending worse, not better).
I’m in the US, and I can assure you the amount of effort that would go into breaking that system would be 1000+ fold.
Here’s the thing… your computer/phone, just to run programs, is sitting on somewhere around 40-50 million lines of code in the operating system. It’s got another 20-30 million for all the supporting user space libraries. People want to vote from any device, and operating systems have become walled gardens. Now we need to interact with browsers. That’s another 30 million lines. You know how many bugs I need to find to compromise a system? 1. It’s not necessarily a skill issue. It’s an attack surface issue.
And this is assuming the bug was an accident. There are much more insidious vulnerabilities out there (see the recent exploit found in xz). Along that same vein, there could be exploit generators in the compilers (that’s 15 million lines) that build all these systems.
We won’t have online voting until we fundamentally change how we compute. I don’t see that happening any time in the near future. None of these corporations are going to be breaking down their walls anytime soon.
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Technology, yes. Shitshow? Definitely.
I understand that this is a doomer sub but man. When you manage to get away from all this social media bullshit for a while then try to poke your head in you realize how relentlessly negative it is at all times, because nobody wants to actually do anything about anything, including go the fuck outside and forget about it for a bit, and everyone with any ambitions of sanity leaves.
Could we start discussing credible strategies to reverse this situation, or at least improve that number somehow? Absolutely the fuck not, never, ever ever. The shit is very literally crazy, I don’t know what I was trying to expect.
But this post is so much like the other posts on the rest of the site it took me a minute to notice where I was. Might as well stop acting like this is just one community, it’s everything.
Could we start discussing credible strategies to reverse this situation, or at least improve that number somehow?
I say this constantly, and everyone nods along happily when I say it, but almost nobody does it. What is it? It’s getting involved in your local politics.
The federal government, the US congress and senate and all the executive branch… they’re all supported and propped up by powerful institutions within the states that got powerful because nobody paid it any attention and still don’t. People get elected to represent us who run without opposition and then we wonder why nothing seems to change.
If you get involved with knowing who in your neighborhood, your school district, your city, your county and your state represent you, and then challenging that representation in any way you can, from actually running all the way to just getting on those horrible neighborhood forums and holding yard-sales to get to know your neighbors.
GET TO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS. Jesus, this country is terrible about this one huge thing that could change everything, which is reforming communities. We scream and cry how bad the world is and make ZERO effort to make it better by forming support systems within neighborhoods. I mean fuck, most suburban neighborhoods have nothing else to do, might as well have some bake sales and yard sales and jogging groups and other things to help get to know each other, right? Or has all our cynicism completely overshadowed any possible chance of ever forming friendly communities in the US?
GET TO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS.
I move every year because my rent keeps going up and I can’t afford to stay. In some places ive been they offer a discount the first year then it goes up to the “normal rate”.
Sorry to my MAGA neighbor that broke my headlight, I can’t afford to stay and educate you.
Get involved with Represent.Us, the site that was linked to.
They have a pretty good strategy, and they have been making progress.
Governance is discouraging because it’s complex. And when things are complex, it’s difficult to see progress and it’s easy to predict that there will be problems.
It’s also difficult (and unrewarding) to have serious conversations about this stuff on social media.
The posts get too long, with no satisfying simplistic conclusion, and even if you make an incredible magnum opus of a post that acknowledges enough complexity to be realistic while also being short and snappy enough to catch people’s attention… it drops off of the trending posts algorithm after a day.
As long as there is money to be made in politics the common man will be trodden upon. Good luck getting the people making all the money to change the laws.
Expand the house. Drop the ratio to something much closer to the original one, (1 representative for 30,000 people). It’s theorized that a ratio around 1:100,000 is low enough to provide more accountability. It would mean a house around 3600 representatives but they’d be very responsible to their local communities. And we could institute a system where only senior members are in D.C. with others joining them only for very sensitive meetings that couldn’t be held using the secure intranet the military has.
This expansion would obliterate party control and lobbying. There’s just too many representatives at that point and too many seats to fund. The price tag of campaigning would drop precipitously, making elections intensely local again.
If sad facts just bring you down instead of making you act to fix them, then you are part of the problem.
Ok, so now what? You’re going to shit on people for being depressed about the state of the world and feeling powerless because of how powerless they are?
If you want people to engage in solutions I’d recommend not belittling them for succumbing to apathy in the face of overwhelming opposition.
I mean that is basically how social media and news etc. work. Negative emotions are the strongest, and possibly produce the most reactions. And that’s what all of this lives from. Probably one of the reasons why the human world is slowly gonig to shit (well there I did feed it^^). I think though it’s really difficult to combat this shitty political situation we’re in basically worldwide, it’s almost self-driving into a well not so human-friendly (nor life at all) world.
But I obviously agree. Just actually do stuff that doesn’t feed this downward spiral. I.e. do stuff with friends, pursue hobbys, do sports etc. Be a good example for others (e. g. show that a more climate friendly life doesn’t need to degrade happiness, or could even be helpful). That IME leads to much more happiness, healthier life (physically and psychological), less misanthropism etc.
Keep voting blue and hope things change.
Joining/starting unions and mass strikes would be much faster if you are able. Sure, vote too, but the premise of this post specifically says they don’t care what you think. Make them care.
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Take over the democratic party with actual leftists. If the fascists can do it with the GOP, we can do it with leftists/the DNC.
Just vote for the right people for a decade and it can happen
The GOP fell to the MAGA crowd a lot quicker than a decade.
Ehh…not that much.
Sarah Palin was supposed to bring in the party’s fringes for McCain in his 2008 bid. She was considered a nutter then.
One Obama later, and suddenly McCain was either the scum of the earth or the best the GOP has to offer, depending on who you ask, and those groups of people flipped in that time. Meanwhile Palin became a mascot.
Palin wasn’t even invited to his funeral. Didn’t speak to him one time in the year he was sick.
They’ve been falling for loonies for decades, sure, but that is tangential.
If history tells us anything, fascists love advertising that they’re actually socialists and that you should definitely vote for them. And North Carolina got a little taste of what that might feel like last year.
That’s a problem no matter how government officials are elected, and therefore irrelevant.
The sudden spike coincides with the Citizens United and SpeechNow SCOTUS decisions.
It’s been trending for some time. Chomsky’s “Manufacturing Consent” describes a host of national policies that were intensely disliked when they began and only became normalized after years of mass media manipulation.
The Drug Wars, opposition to the Civil Rights and Women’s Rights movements, most of our wars after WW2, our large scale claw backs of social spending and ballooning security state budgets, our habit of subsidizing sports stadiums and toxic waste sites, etc - all need regular continued media investment for fear of a popular turn.
SCOTUS widened the spigots for political spending in pursuit of these goals. But it’s not like the WSJ or AM Radio or the cable news companies weren’t already flush with propaganda before the CU decision. It’s not like CU was necessary for the volume of social media manipulation, either.
No the decisions weren’t necessary for all that, but for the one simple graph tracking campaign costs it was particularly salient.
That’s because y’all won’t fucking VOTE
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
Municipal, provincial, federal. I don’t fucking know how your country works just fucking vote. Pretty pleaaaaaase.
I did, and the primary to. Then the people who I voted alongside of talked massive shit about me because I didn’t smile hard enough while voting for “the most pro-labor president”.
Then they didn’t do anything to fix the First Past the Post voting system and the spoiler effect that comes along side it. Despite lecturing people over and over about its mathematical flaws whenever anyone mentioned voting outside the two party system.
I will vote for your blue conservatives, but don’t try to fool me that I am represented with things as they are.
For what, exactly? The parties choose who we’re allowed to vote for. Until we abolish FPTP and implement RCV, there will be no democracy in America.
They won’t be aligned to your interests unless you vote.
They don’t fear us.
Perhaps the automated drone army is nearing completion.
Then finally us useless eaters can finally be dealt with.
Duh? We know already know this. Their main concern is staying in office for as long as possible and see how badly they can fuck up the country.
Duh? We know already know this. Their main concern is staying in office for as long as possible and see how
badly they can fuck up the country.much they can grow their own bank accounts.The destruction of the country is just a byproduct of their greed. :(
