Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., argued Vice President Kamala Harris could win “overwhelmingly” against Donald Trump but said it’s up to President Joe Biden to decide the fate of his campaign amid calls to drop out after his poor debate performance.

The quote:

“Given Joe Biden’s incredible record, given Donald Trump’s terrible record: he should be mopping the floor with Donald Trump. Joe Biden is running against a criminal. It should not be even close. And there is only one reason it is close. And that is the president’s age.”

      • circuscritic@lemmy.ca
        61·
        5 months ago

        Yes, but that was before everyone saw a sundowning POTUS on that debate stage.

        Attitudes have changed amongst the DNC establishment, at least according to the reporting.

        Anecdotally, I’ve heard similar feelings echoed in far left/socialist circles.

        I will say I haven’t seen any new polling that take recent events into account. I assume those figures exist, I just haven’t seen you come across my feeds yet.

      • retrospectology@lemmy.world
        22·
        5 months ago

        Polls have her doing better than Biden. You could do worse than running a woman when abortion is on the ballot (and by worse I mean, for example, a catholic who’s visibly queasy about actually supporting bodily autonomy). She also gets you back the anti-genocide vote, and she’s responsible for a lot of Biden’s support among black Americans.

        • StinkyOnions@lemmy.world
          72·
          5 months ago

          She’s only polling better because that’s what the media wants you to believe. Polls are meaningless and are only valuable to those pushing the polls.

      • pjwestin@lemmy.world
        12·
        5 months ago

        The last polling I saw on her actually had her doing considerably better than Biden. Her approval rating is about the same, but her disapproval is much lower. She’s not the strongest candidate, and I don’t particularly like her, but she’s got a better shot than Biden at this point.

      • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
        111·
        5 months ago

        The reason given in the article is “Because I, Adam Schiff, think so” - all the hard data we have (competive polls, opinion polls, historical references) gives a pretty bleak outlook for a Harris presidency.

        • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8·
          5 months ago

          Without even looking at polls, and knowing how much racism and misogyny there is, as well as the outcome of 2016, I have my doubts about Kamala as a viable candidate.

          • retrospectology@lemmy.world
            3·
            5 months ago

            There was some misogyny involved in Clinton’s loss, but she had a special kind of misogyny attached to her that was built up over years. The fallout from the affair Bill had really kind of splashed back on Clinton, she wasn’t just hated by misogynist men, she illicited a ton of internalized misogyny from conservative women as well, in part because of the way she presented herself after it came to light.

            Harris doesn’t have any of that baggage. At this point I think Trump has hoovered up the vast majority of misogynists and bigots already. Most people at this point likely don’t care.

        • retrospectology@lemmy.world
          13·
          5 months ago

          That’s a lie though, the data we have literally says the opposite. Which is why all the party power players are in favor of Biden shuffling off.

          • ignirtoq@fedia.io
            9·
            5 months ago

            He’s not asking for the citation for the quote. He’s asking for the citation of the veracity of the assertion. We know Adam Schiff said the thing. What matters is the justification for saying the thing.

            With no data to justify it (and plenty available showing it’s not true), this is just further evidence Democratic leadership is stuck in the mindset of political battles from 30 years ago. If Trump were running in the political reality of the 90s with his current background and record, even current Biden would mop the floor with him. But we’re not in the age of the party of Gingrich. This is the party of Trump, and facts and record don’t matter to Trump voters and Republicans in general. Welcome to 21st century American politics, Mr. Schiff.

          • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
            5·
            5 months ago

            I think that’s a fair miscommunication. I was asking for a data driven citation while you were providing a quote citation. I agree that Adam Schiff almost certainly said that, but my question is why he thinks that (or, as I’d suspect, why he’s lying).

            • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.worldOP
              29·
              5 months ago

              Its an article about what a politician said. The politician said that thing. I think you and your buddies lack reading comprehension.