It’s awesome being a doctor because you get to try your best to help people all day, get held up by patients talking about 6 different issues they didn’t even book their appointment for, held up by admin demanding you finish your notes between patients, held up by arguing on the phone with insurance that won’t authorize clearly necessary treatments, held up by nursing staff (understandably) needing your input on things between patients, and then read people bitching online like you were just spending that time drinking coffee and flirting with the nurses when you have a caffeineh eadache because you haven’t even had enough time to stop and drink coffee at all AND admin is bitching at you because you aren’t seeing enough patients every day.
I don’t think people mean it’s the doctors fault or that they’re sitting around doing Jack. The frustration is that doctors time is so packed full that they don’t have time for all those things, which is an administration problem.
Clinic/hospital admins want to pack the doctors schedule full of 15min increment appointments, where they’re expected to see the patient, diagnose/treat, and complete notes/charts within an incredibly short amount of time.
Worst part is that most of the time this is not done because the clinic is having trouble making money, but because they want MORE profit from every person walking into their doors.
Unfortunately the doctors usually aren’t the ones managing the schedule. The admin / secretaries are.
And good ones, that understand that a new patient with no file, that doesn’t speak the language, that has a history of complications with her previous pregnancies, etc is not gonna be a normal half hour consultation are extremely rare.
Even kind ones that see that you are swamped day in day out just seem to assume that these are teething difficulties, adapting to the position, etc (even after almost two years).
And so that’s how my wife ends up doing a ten hour workday. Nonstop. With no break for lunch because hey, too bad, she finished the morning shift two hours late and now her first afternoon appointment has been waiting for half an hour…
But of course if you tell patients there is no time for them because the few doctors that are here are already overworked…
(to be clear, I’ve been saying the same thing as you to my wife for two years now. But apparently the message is not getting across)
Idk if my boss gives me a schedule with unreasonable timelines and deliverables, I tell him, and we talk about it, and we get it fixed. If it keeps happening, I’ve found new work.
Maybe the medical industry has systematic issues that can’t be resolved, but everyone should have some autonomy
The problem is that doctors and more broadly care workers have a hard time walking away from their job because, you know, they care for people that they would leave in a worse situation if they left.
I want to believe that the vast majority of people in the medical profession are indeed fighting to keep capitalism away from the system. And so far that’s been my experience. But you’re right, of course. That’s an optimistic take.
Unfortunately the doctors usually aren’t the ones managing the schedule.
A doctor can address the scheduling issue with whoever does the scheduling. Addressing does not mean the doctor gets their way, but that they discussed it and attempted change.
If they can’t have that discussion, why are they atill working there and what is their plan when changes are made that make scheduling even worse?
The doctor is a professional and can address things, no matter who does the actual work. If they can’t even address issues with an admin on acheduling, what are they going to do when the admin stops ensuring they have all the supplies they need?
then read people bitching online like you were just spending that time drinking coffee and flirting with the nurses
I don’t think anyone actually took that route (none of the comments I read).
I honesty kind of blame the patient for talking about 6 different issues while here I am trying to go by the rules and only use 5 mins of my doctor’s time.
I have never unappreciated doctors, but that doesn’t mean things can’t improve.
Then book fewer patients per day (assuming it’s your own practice). It’s one thing to have a bad day where you fall behind. It’s another thing when you fall an hour behind every day.
It’s awesome being a doctor because you get to try your best to help people all day, get held up by patients talking about 6 different issues they didn’t even book their appointment for, held up by admin demanding you finish your notes between patients, held up by arguing on the phone with insurance that won’t authorize clearly necessary treatments, held up by nursing staff (understandably) needing your input on things between patients, and then read people bitching online like you were just spending that time drinking coffee and flirting with the nurses when you have a caffeineh eadache because you haven’t even had enough time to stop and drink coffee at all AND admin is bitching at you because you aren’t seeing enough patients every day.
I don’t think people mean it’s the doctors fault or that they’re sitting around doing Jack. The frustration is that doctors time is so packed full that they don’t have time for all those things, which is an administration problem.
Clinic/hospital admins want to pack the doctors schedule full of 15min increment appointments, where they’re expected to see the patient, diagnose/treat, and complete notes/charts within an incredibly short amount of time.
Worst part is that most of the time this is not done because the clinic is having trouble making money, but because they want MORE profit from every person walking into their doors.
It’s the culmination of decades of cost cutting measures in the medical field as small practices get eaten up by large companies.
I used to get mad at the doctors who worked for those big companies, now you are lucky if you can avoid them.
A doctor tha expects those things to happen should schedule based on that knowledge.
If the admin has unrealistic expectations, then those expectations need to be addressed.
Unfortunately the doctors usually aren’t the ones managing the schedule. The admin / secretaries are.
And good ones, that understand that a new patient with no file, that doesn’t speak the language, that has a history of complications with her previous pregnancies, etc is not gonna be a normal half hour consultation are extremely rare.
Even kind ones that see that you are swamped day in day out just seem to assume that these are teething difficulties, adapting to the position, etc (even after almost two years).
And so that’s how my wife ends up doing a ten hour workday. Nonstop. With no break for lunch because hey, too bad, she finished the morning shift two hours late and now her first afternoon appointment has been waiting for half an hour…
But of course if you tell patients there is no time for them because the few doctors that are here are already overworked…
(to be clear, I’ve been saying the same thing as you to my wife for two years now. But apparently the message is not getting across)
Idk if my boss gives me a schedule with unreasonable timelines and deliverables, I tell him, and we talk about it, and we get it fixed. If it keeps happening, I’ve found new work.
Maybe the medical industry has systematic issues that can’t be resolved, but everyone should have some autonomy
The problem is that doctors and more broadly care workers have a hard time walking away from their job because, you know, they care for people that they would leave in a worse situation if they left.
And you haven’t even gotten to the medical billing phase that’s been strangling American healthcare systems for decades!
Thankfully we are in France and everybody is fighting tooth and nails to not become that. So far so good.
everybody!?
what an overstatement!
I want to believe that the vast majority of people in the medical profession are indeed fighting to keep capitalism away from the system. And so far that’s been my experience. But you’re right, of course. That’s an optimistic take.
now that nfp may have a say in government, things may hopefully get better for you?
Why can’t your wife adjust her schedule? She’s the one with the medical degree. She can ask for anything she wants, within reason.
Tell her to say that she needs more time between patients to avoid a lawsuit. She doesn’t want to miss anything. They’ll listen to that.
A doctor can address the scheduling issue with whoever does the scheduling. Addressing does not mean the doctor gets their way, but that they discussed it and attempted change.
If they can’t have that discussion, why are they atill working there and what is their plan when changes are made that make scheduling even worse?
Doctors don’t do the scheduling. The idea of telling admin to change their expectations is laughable.
What a defeatist attitude.
The doctor is a professional and can address things, no matter who does the actual work. If they can’t even address issues with an admin on acheduling, what are they going to do when the admin stops ensuring they have all the supplies they need?
I don’t think anyone actually took that route (none of the comments I read).
I honesty kind of blame the patient for talking about 6 different issues while here I am trying to go by the rules and only use 5 mins of my doctor’s time.
I have never unappreciated doctors, but that doesn’t mean things can’t improve.
You sound so disrespectful…
Then book fewer patients per day (assuming it’s your own practice). It’s one thing to have a bad day where you fall behind. It’s another thing when you fall an hour behind every day.