Nearly two-thirds of Democrats say President Joe Biden should withdraw from the presidential race and let his party nominate a different candidate, according to a new poll, sharply undercutting his post-debate claim that “average Democrats” are still with him even if some “big names” are turning on him.

The new survey by the AP-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, conducted as Biden works to salvage his candidacy two weeks after his debate flop, also found that only about 3 in 10 Democrats are extremely or very confident that he has the mental capability to serve effectively as president, down slightly from 40% in an AP-NORC poll in February.

The findings underscore the challenges the 81-year-old president faces as he tries to silence calls from within his own party to leave the race and tries to convince Democrats that he’s the best candidate to defeat Donald Trump. The poll was conducted mostly before Saturday’s assassination attempt on Trump at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania. It’s unclear whether the shooting influenced people’s views of Biden, but the small number of poll interviews completed after the shooting provided no early indication that his prospects improved.

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    They wanted Joe to not run again in the first place, and for the DNC to nominate someone else

    Nope.

    We wanted fair and open primaries were progressive leaning states didn’t have their delegates stolen and every state gets a chance to vote before it’s over rather than 4-5 states handpicked by the DNC because they vote moderate.

    That increases turnout in the general.

    What happened was undemocratic and depresses turnout helping Republicans

    The main difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is then Biden isn’t a raging narcissist

    If Biden wasn’t a narcissist he’d put the safety of the country over his own ambition to stay in the White House after it took 36 years to get the big chair.

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      Biden implemented many progressive ideas, this is why “left” media (owned by billionaires) are actually attacking him.

      Even Bernie is for not replacing him.

      The whole campaign to replace him feels very astroturfed and is based on the first debate ignoring everything else.

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        Progressives have not abandoned Biden because Biden has basically promised them whatever the fuck they want for the next administration so long as they stand behind him. Even AOC is saying she’s with Biden.

        I’m not even mad. I would consider taking that gamble as well. But the Biden administration knows that if the progressive wing of the party truly leaves them they are fucked

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          Right…just like he promised Elizabeth Warren a cabinet spot if she dropped out of the 2020 primary and backed him instead of Bernie.

          I couldn’t disagree with your last sentiment more. If there’s one last bastion of bipartisan compromise in this country, it’s to work together to keep progressive leftists out of office at all costs, because they are the only true threat to the massive amount of capital that’s been stolen by the ruling class over the past 40 years.

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            If you are a progressive democrat in the house you sure as shit are going to try to get the president to owe your bloc. That’s politics man. Can’t say I love it but it at least makes sense

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              Yeah I’m not arguing that, you’re right. I just don’t think they’re effectively using their leverage.

              That said, their hands are tied for now, because if any of them said anything at all about Biden stepping down before it actually happens, the entire narrative would shift to “progressives undermine Dem chances, it’s all their fault.” Establishment dems are so eager to learn the wrong lessons in these situations…conveniently allowing them to never have to evolve their politics.

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            Yes then they did the math on Senate votes and realized they need Liz and Bernie to stay put to have any shot at taking control from McConnell.

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                Massachusetts isn’t as safely blue as people assume. Bernie in the Senate is far more helpful than having a cabinet roll.

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                  Bernie was going to be the presidential nominee. Cabinet positions got offered for other progressives to back Biden instead of him once they dropped out, thus securing Biden the win.

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                    Sure keep crying about Bernie getting sabotaged.

                    Biden stomped Liz in Maine and Massachusetts. Also beat Bernie by a decent amount.Then beat Bernie by a lot in Michigan and Wisconsin. Two critical swing states. That was the moment people realized Biden had the wider appeal and better shot.

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        The whole campaign to replace him feels very astroturfed and is based on the first debate ignoring everything else.

        I wouldn’t say it’s astroturfed when people like Adam Schiff are calling on Biden to step aside. I also wouldn’t say it’s just about the debate as Biden has met with people in congress to try and persuade them that he’s the guy and they’ve come away less than impressed after those meetings.

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          That’s how astroturfing works though. You create false narrative like everyone thinks that until people join through a bandwagon effect.

          I was watching the debate and my takeaway was it was a horrible debate, moderators did a horrible job, trump was energetic but was just rambling (especially in the 2nd half), and completely ignored questions asked. Biden was anemic, made some blunders, but at least made sense.

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            By your definition pretty much everything could be described as astroturfing. I also don’t think it’s accurate to describe this as a “false narrative” either, you’re into “don’t believe your lying eyes” territory.

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              Not everything, astroturfing is creating a fake grassroot movement. This was purely manufactured by media (including left leaning ones) whose owners fear Biden pro middle class policies. They know that Biden doesn’t have anything to lose when implementing them like for example tax increases for people making $400,000+. Other, younger candidates are more likely to be more mendable.

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                I think you’re gaslighting a little. Why try and tell people their impression of Biden’s debate performance and NATO press conference isn’t genuine and instead is “purely manufactured by media”?

                That’s just not accurate. I know what I saw.

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                  I know what I saw and was surprised by the media coverage, because that was not my impression. I even remember early polls for example one showing that actually he got a good response among Spanish voters.

                  It also shows this was manufactured as the media completely ignored (very anticipated, as it supposed to unmask “democratic pedophiles”) Epstein files.

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                    It was a disaster, an absolutely terrible performance. I don’t know what else to tell you.

                    If you disagree, that’s fine but I’d love to know what constitutes a terrible debate performance in your world if you thought that was OK.

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                    I watched the whole debate. It was very painful to watch. Biden barely could finish sentences and trump lied everytime he opened his mouth. Then they started going off about golfing scores. It completely sucked.

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        Biden implemented many progressive ideas

        Many?

        How about top 3 that Biden did?

        Not just legislation that he signed, three things that we got because Biden has the big desk and not literally anyone else with a D by their name.

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            Lmao this is what you came up with? Most of these aren’t “progressive” especially when 4-5 are pushing more military or escalating trade wars. Plus are you really trying to say this is a major win

            Biden scraps Trump’s paint scheme for Air Force One

            Plus producing more oil than ever is on there as well. Like that’s not a win that’s completely counter to helping climate change.

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              That’s some dumb thinking. You can’t just shut down oil production without first developing alternatives, you would tank the entire economy when you were recovering from a recession caused by the pandemic.

              You need to first invest in developing infrastructure, make sure the majority will start using alternative fuel and then you reduce production.

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            Nope, because most of that is legislation Biden has taken credit for.

            How about top 3 that Biden did?

            Not just legislation that he signed, three things that we got because Biden has the big desk and not literally anyone else with a D by their name.

            If you can find 3 things on that list let me know

            If not, you just proved my point, that everything on that list would have happened if it was another Dem in office.

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              Yeah, I didn’t point it out earlier, but you were already changing goalposts in the prior response.

              President is not just signing bills, but also leading Democrats, and negotiates with Republicans to get bills passed. How do you think the bill to help Ukraine passed in April? Johnson just had a change of heart out of nowhere

              This is why trump accomplished very little legislatively, he basically doesn’t know about making compromises.

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                President is not just signing bills, but also leading Democrats negotiated with Republicans to get bills passed

                Expect Biden said publicly and repeatedly that even changing a Dems mind would be impossible so trying would be a waste of effort…

                Do you disagree with Biden on that?

                If so, why do you still want him as president when he thinks your reason for why it should be him is not his job?

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                  Huh?

                  Because he maybe did bad in the first debate (because apparently looking more energetic is more important than actually making sense), but his administration does an excellent governing job.

                  We already know how he is governing, what his foreign policy is.

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                    How about top 3 that Biden did?

                    Not just legislation that he signed, three things that we got because Biden has the big desk and not literally anyone else with a D by their name.

                    Why keep replying when you can’t do that?

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              CTRL+F “executive order”

              • (farming) …executive order directing agencies across the government to promote competition and take on monopolies.
              • (pot) … executive order directing the Department of Health and Human Services to conduct a review of all available cannabis science
              • (AI) … executive order starts the clock for more than a dozen federal agencies to figure out what the gold standard for “safe, secure and trustworthy” AI handling should be for their own operations

              And that’s just the little stuff you didn’t notice – not the big stuff like the SAVE Plan for student debt (also an executive order) or caregiver support.

              I guess that is besides the point, which seems to be redefining everything Biden has done as ineligible. I’m guessing you’d say Regan gets no credit for ending the Berlin Wall since HE didn’t tear it down.

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                So…

                Your three examples of Biden accomplishing something…

                Is three times he told federal agencies to “look into” things?

                No examples of him actually doing anything?

                That’s the best you can find?

                Quick edit:

                Can we skip ahead to where you say no president has power to do anything?

                Then I point out how that undermines Biden’s entire campaign and means the only thing that’s important is picking a popular and charismatic candidate and Biden is both historically unpopular and while charismatic for an 81 year old that’s not a very high standard?

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                  Sigh.

                  Those weren’t MY points. It was just proof you do not choose to read. You said:

                  Not just legislation that he signed, three things that we got because Biden has the big desk and not literally anyone else with a D by their name.

                  The reply was the politico piece, and you claimed nothing on it counted. I checked. You were wrong. I posted 3 you missed and added two more (with links) which you ALSO ignored.

                  I didn’t bother with obvious stuff like defending Ukraine, strengthening alliances that had faltered, or surging the economy (especially since I think most economic stuff is a lagging indicator if under any Presidential control at all). If you weren’t going to read the politico article, why waste my time? I only waste my time now so the trolling becomes obvious to all.

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                    Not just legislation that he signed, three things that we got because Biden has the big desk and not literally anyone else with a D by their name.

                    Right …

                    And you told me three times Biden told a federal agency to “look into” something.

                    Hell, one of those was even a campaign promise from last primary four years ago. Nothing was accomplished.

                    I didn’t bother with obvious stuff

                    That stuff any Dem would have done.

                    Bruh, you quoted the question, did you not read it? How are you trying to answer it already?

                    Not just legislation that he signed, three things that we got because Biden has the big desk and not literally anyone else with a D by their name.