Jeremy Clarkson: Just been for a walk round the farm and I’m a bit alarmed by how few butterflies there are.

Something is afoot.

Danny Wallace: Diesel-smelling Top Gear host who threatened climate protestors misses butterflies.

  • FluffyPotato@lemm.eeEnglish
    6·
    4 months ago

    He’s right about electric cars not solving anything but wrong about politics not solving it. Science has already provided the solutions like over a decade ago but no one is willing to implement it.

    • Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      4 months ago

      I’m really tired of this pervasive fantasy where people actually think we can get rid of all cars and bring public transport to the masses in the space of a year.

      We live in a car centric society and changing that is going to take a decade at the minimum.

      EVs are our best solutions currently, we don’t have time to wait for trains or hydrogen. We should absolutely start trying to phase cars out completely but that doesn’t negate the fact that saying “EVs don’t help” is essentially being an oil barons mouthpiece.

      • AA5B@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        4 months ago

        changing that is going to take a decade at the minimum.

        And that’s way too optimistic. Given the life expectancy of modern autos, the “quick” option of EVs will be a couple decades or more.

        Building car-centric towns and cities has taken most of a century of constant growth. Now those cities exist and we no longer have the growth so rebuilding them is a much bigger job. We’re talking many decades, likely a century or more. In the meantime we can’t afford to be stuck with ICE.

        Although maybe you’re not from the US so the problem is not as severe. Here in Massachusetts we also have the advantage of so many towns and cities being built out before cars. We’re “behind” on being car-centric so hopefully can fix that trend more quickly

        • zalgotext@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          5·
          4 months ago

          changing that is going to take a decade at the minimum.

          And that’s way too optimistic

          Best time to start was years ago, second best time to start is now. Maybe we can start by voting in favor of the next public transit initiative in our respective local elections.

          • AA5B@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            4 months ago

            Of course, but the point is that EVs are a useful step, even if transit is the goal and start now.

            Also that it’s going to take quite a while. Yes, we need to plant that tree ASAP and we need to take really good care of it and we need to appreciate shade as we get it …… but also realize it won’t be full grown until long after we’re gone.

      • davidagain@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        4 months ago

        (Hydrogen is very much not a solution. It takes way too much energy to make and it’s very dangerous to store.)

      • pedz@lemmy.caEnglish
        2·
        4 months ago

        No it’s capitalism and the car industry that wants to continue selling cars that are pushing for EVs.

        Cars in general are bad for the environment and the people around them. EVs are a bit better than internal combustion, but it’s not a miracle.

        EVs still emit tons of rubber particles because of tire shedding, they are heavier and require more energy to move around, they still require vast amounts of paved parking and roads, and they can still crush pedestrians and animals.

        If you have to have a car, it should be an EV if possible, but it would be better to reduce the amount of cars in cities and around us.

        • Habahnow@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          3·
          4 months ago

          So we agree the man with 10 v8 engine cars should move to EVs or public transit rather than having 10 cars? Because he’s saying fuck that.

          • pedz@lemmy.caEnglish
            22·
            4 months ago

            He’s not using all 10 at the same time every day for a multi-hours commute. In a way he’s right. In his country, that means not cancelling HS2. It’s not his personal fault. And him changing a car to EV won’t change much, aside from putting one more car on the market.

            Again, my point is, it’s not science that is pushing EVs, it’s capitalism. Buy an EV!1!!! Buy buy buy!11! ThEy ArE GoNnA SaVe ThE PlAnEt!

            No need for policy changes. All we need to do collectively is ban plastic straws, drive EVs, recycle, and those that are not doing this will be blamed!

            https://www.abc27.com/news/environment/keeping-old-cars-longer-can-help-the-environment-more-than-buying-new-electric-cars-study-finds/

            https://www.cargurus.co.uk/Cars/articles/whats-greener-used-car-or-new-ev

            https://mycarheaven.com/2023/07/keeping-your-old-petrol-car-may-be-better-than-buying-an-ev/

            • davidagain@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              4 months ago

              Myth. https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/mythbusting-world-evs-better-buy-new-or-keep-your-old-car

              But what if your existing petrol or diesel car is perfectly satisfactory? Obviously if you cause one less vehicle – of any kind – to be manufactured, you’re saving CO2 in the short term. But if you drive a lot of miles or your car is thirsty, then sell it to someone who drives less. Getting an EV would after a very few years move you into credit. If it’s efficient and you drive little, probably hold on to it for a while.

              In most areas of life, the greenest thing is simply to buy less stuff and keep it for longer. But with ICE cars, because they emit so much CO2 in use, it’s not always so simple.

              HS2 wasn’t going to fix much. Shave 20 minutes off a multi-hour journey. There’s already fast, frequent rail between London and the other major cities in HS2. It’s just very expensive and HS2 wasn’t going to fix that either. What would help is good rail between the North West and Yorkshire, where it’s absurdly bad and has been for a long time.

              Now if you could get rail or light rail out to my town or up the bus frequency and speed to match light rail, I’d gladly give up running my (second hand) electric car, but I need it to be so much cheaper, because the electric car costs me £4 a week to run if I don’t use the light railway (plus £3 a day parking), and light rail costs me £6 a day if I park and ride. (I don’t miss my petrol car at all. It cost me £20 a week to run, plus the parking, and it really was no fun to drive at all.)

      • currycourier@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        4 months ago

        If you have 10 cars and buy an 11th thats electric you’re not really solving anything. The problem is overconsumption moreso than method of propulsion, the bulk of a car’s lifetime emissions are a result of manufacturing rather than daily use.