But in a sane world where both candidates are decent people
The partisan divide is predicated on assuming your rivals aren’t good people. That’s why everyone loves calling each other Tankies and Communists/Fascists and foreign shills.
Let’s not pretend that Trump is a normal politician with whom we merely have policy disagreements. That was the case for most major party candidates prior to 2015, but since then it has only been the case for one major party’s candidates. The previous rules of friendly competition and debate were thrown out then. By him.
Let’s not pretend that Trump is a normal politician
He’s a celebrity-turned-politician. But he’s running on a platform that’s been baked into the GOP since the Eisenhower Administration launched Operation Wetback.
That was the case for most major party candidates prior to 2015
I’m not saying the past hasn’t led us to this. I’m saying that the current GOP is corrupt and rotten to a level that it never was before, and their supporters’ opinion matters less than it ever did before. So
the current GOP is corrupt and rotten to a level that it never was before
More corrupt than when Bush used the phoney threat of nuclear terrorism to commit a Holocaust in Iraq?
More corrupt than when Reagan’s CIA was running cocaine through Latin America to fund death squads on behalf of the United Fruit Company and Coca Cola?
More corrupt than the multiple democracies overthrown by the Eisenhower Administration - from Brazil to Egypt to Iran?
More corrupt than Rutherford B Hayes ending Reconstruction for the House votes he needed to take the presidency?
Yes, because now they’re not bothering to hide it. They’re trying to normalize it. Worse still, they’re trying to paint people who don’t want their fascism as the strange ones. They’re so corrupt and rotten they aren’t even bothering with the thin veneer of respectability, and they’re succeeding in changing the character of the entire country.
Previous GOP regimes did evil things and made Americans complicit. Now they’re actively trying to make America evil.
It’s almost like you have to look at more than just what people say about each other to determine who’s right.
Anyway, I was talking about Trump himself, not his supporters. I don’t know how it could possibly be more clear that he’s a bad person. If you can’t acknowledge that fact then I can’t take anything you say seriously.
Anyway, I was talking about Trump himself, not his supporters.
Trump can’t exist without an enormous base of zealous donors, canvasers, and loyal electoral disciples. Neither can any politician, particularly at the national level. At some level, Trump is a manifestation of his support. Otherwise, he’d have lost to Christie or Hailey or Pence.
If you can’t acknowledge that fact
You don’t need to go far in the American suburbs to find people who spout all the same rhetoric and engage in a host of the same behaviors as the Cheeto Mussolini. I’m in Texas and I’m surrounded by these people. I go visit family up in Staten Island and they’re all over the place. Step out to Arizona, Florida, Ohio… guys who admire and seek to emulate Trump, both in his politics and mannerisms, are all over this country.
The partisan divide is predicated on assuming your rivals aren’t good people. That’s why everyone loves calling each other Tankies and Communists/Fascists and foreign shills.
If you can’t see that Trump is the opposite of a good person, then I don’t know what to tell you.
You assume Trump people aren’t good people, either. And they assume the same of you.
Let’s not pretend that Trump is a normal politician with whom we merely have policy disagreements. That was the case for most major party candidates prior to 2015, but since then it has only been the case for one major party’s candidates. The previous rules of friendly competition and debate were thrown out then. By him.
He’s a celebrity-turned-politician. But he’s running on a platform that’s been baked into the GOP since the Eisenhower Administration launched Operation Wetback.
That’s completely ahistorical.
I’m not saying the past hasn’t led us to this. I’m saying that the current GOP is corrupt and rotten to a level that it never was before, and their supporters’ opinion matters less than it ever did before. So
doesn’t mean what it used to.
More corrupt than when Bush used the phoney threat of nuclear terrorism to commit a Holocaust in Iraq?
More corrupt than when Reagan’s CIA was running cocaine through Latin America to fund death squads on behalf of the United Fruit Company and Coca Cola?
More corrupt than the multiple democracies overthrown by the Eisenhower Administration - from Brazil to Egypt to Iran?
More corrupt than Rutherford B Hayes ending Reconstruction for the House votes he needed to take the presidency?
I’m not feeling it.
Yes, because now they’re not bothering to hide it. They’re trying to normalize it. Worse still, they’re trying to paint people who don’t want their fascism as the strange ones. They’re so corrupt and rotten they aren’t even bothering with the thin veneer of respectability, and they’re succeeding in changing the character of the entire country.
Previous GOP regimes did evil things and made Americans complicit. Now they’re actively trying to make America evil.
They’re absolutely worse now.
They’re not coordinated and sophisticated enough to hide it.
It’s almost like you have to look at more than just what people say about each other to determine who’s right.
Anyway, I was talking about Trump himself, not his supporters. I don’t know how it could possibly be more clear that he’s a bad person. If you can’t acknowledge that fact then I can’t take anything you say seriously.
Trump can’t exist without an enormous base of zealous donors, canvasers, and loyal electoral disciples. Neither can any politician, particularly at the national level. At some level, Trump is a manifestation of his support. Otherwise, he’d have lost to Christie or Hailey or Pence.
You don’t need to go far in the American suburbs to find people who spout all the same rhetoric and engage in a host of the same behaviors as the Cheeto Mussolini. I’m in Texas and I’m surrounded by these people. I go visit family up in Staten Island and they’re all over the place. Step out to Arizona, Florida, Ohio… guys who admire and seek to emulate Trump, both in his politics and mannerisms, are all over this country.