• Filthmontane@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Russia devolved into capitalism. Funding a military is incredibly expensive and necessary when a communist country wants to exist in a world with the United States. This creates a militant economy that must be centrally governed to coordinate this military might. True democratic socialism is impossible as long as the United States exists as an imperialist force.

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      True democratic socialism is impossible as long as the United States exists as an imperialist force.

      1, That’s silly, there’s tons of democratic socialist countries that are doing just fine - today! Bolivia, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Canada, the Netherlands, Spain, Ireland, Belgium, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand - think the US fucks with their way of governing?

      2, the USSR was never a type of democratic socialism. Period. They literally called it ‘soviet democracy’ distinctly, and it meant something WILDLY different that the kinds of democratic socialism we see in the above listed countries.

      Your premise is faulty, built upon an imagined soviet union that did not practice the tenants you’re endorsing.

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          3 months ago

          I guess you can stick your head into the ground and pretend democratic socialism isn’t a thing.

          https://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-15-democratic-socialist-countries-181857008.html

          it’s stupid, but stupidity is always an option.

          Of course, if you just toss these countries’ accomplishments away, you’re really just undermining the entire premise, because without these successes the record of ‘socialism’ gets a whole fucking lot worse.

          lol

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            You’re citing a capitalist finance website to prove your point about socialism. You seem to be confused between social democracy and democratic socialism. I understand because they seem so similar that they must be basically the same thing, right? Nope.

            The Nordic model is a form of social democracy. They take many of the benefits that socialism provides and builds them into a capitalist economy. Democratic socialism is an actual form of a worker owned an operated economy.

            If you’re ever in doubt, ask the question, “who owns the means of production?” If the answer is huge megacorporations and wealthy billionaires, then it’s a capitalist economy. If the answer is the working class, it’s socialist.

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              if you just toss these countries’ accomplishments away, you’re really just undermining the entire premise, because without these successes the record of ‘socialism’ gets a whole fucking lot worse.

              Ok, then.

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      3 months ago

      True democratic socialism is impossible as long as the United States exists as an imperialist force.

      Not sure how to explain, but I don’t think so.

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        3 months ago

        The US has destroyed every socialist country in history that didn’t have a strong enough military to fight them off