• eatCasserole@lemmy.world
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        I see China building renewable energy capacity, and crazy fast trains, faster than the rest of the world combined.

        I see Cuba, a tiny island nation, still independent after 64 years of brutal US sanctions.

        I see Vietnam, a popular retirement destination for American ‘expats’.

        I see Russia, being fairly shitty and also 100% capitalist for 25 years.

        Hmm, seems like you may have been told a bunch of times that communism is bad but never really looked into it.

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          China is extremely capitalist lmao

          I’m not fucking defending capitalism or demonizing communism, it’s just never worked. I see absolutely zero reason to expect any difference if we tried it in the us

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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            China is Socialist with Chinese Characteristics, the CPC practices large and extensive levels of State Planning and the People’s Democracy structure means the Capitalists in China do not control nor guide the State.

            Capitalism exists in China as a concession, it isn’t some fully Socialized state, but it is a transitional economy.

            Read China Has Billionaires.

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        So large increases in literacy rates, life expectancy, home ownership, education access, healthcare access, and democratization of society is “devolving into a shitshow?”

        Do you think Russians were better off under the thumb of the Tsar? Do you think Cubans were happier as slaves in Batista’s US-backed slave-state? What point are you genuinely trying to make?

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          First part is a result of industrialization.

          Second part, no they weren’t, but that just means that they were worse off before, not that they were great afterwards.

          I genuinely think the idea of communism is great, but human nature will ensure that it will never be successful. There will always be someone who gets greedy and takes more for themselves in the pursuit of wealth and power.

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            First part is a result of industrialization.

            Partially, the other huge part is that the products of production were funneled into safety nets and state projects like railways and universities, providing free education and healthcare, and not corporate profits.

            I genuinely think the idea of communism is great, but human nature will ensure that it will never be successful. There will always be someone who gets greedy and takes more for themselves in the pursuit of wealth and power.

            What’s considered “Human Nature” changes alongside Mode of Production. It isn’t Human Nature to be greedy, greed is more often expressed within Capitalism.

            Additionally, wealth disparity went way down in the USSR. It wasn’t a case where some few individuals profited massively and others lived in squalor, wealth disparity skyrocketed after it collapsed.

            Are you familiar with Marxist Theory? You have a decidedly Idealist take, rather than Materialist.

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          What you’re talking about here are results of industrialization. The same can be said for capitalist countries during the Industrial Revolution.

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            They were not. The USSR had free healthcare, education, incredibly cheap housing, all while it was far less developed than Western Countries. Development helped, yes, but what helped the most was Proletarian control and direction, not Bourgeois.