What happened in the vegan community?

I hadn’t heard about any of this until seeing that ToS post.

      • davepleasebehave@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        1 month ago

        sure. but the above post stated with supplements. so if the food is palatable and nutritional to the cat, then what does it matter?

        • MissJinx@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 month ago

          Why have an animal to.torture it? Get a parrot of a fish then. Don’t adopt an animal, that can’t understand, and push stupid human values to it. A person that says wants to “protect” animal should respect nature. but you know… vegans are jot the best at logical thinking

          • davepleasebehave@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 month ago

            if the animal enjoys the food and it has all the nutrition the animal needs then how is it torture?.

            Do you also rant at people who keep their cats inside against their will?

      • Longpork3@lemmy.nz
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 month ago

        Cats require a few nutrients which aren’t naturally present in plants, such as taurine. Fortunately, those nutrients are easily synthesised, and added to vegan cat foods in order to make them nutritionally complete.

          • FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            1 month ago

            Look at the research before getting emotional.

            While it seems dogs need atleast some meat, the scientific consensus is cats can be healthy with a vegan diet and proper supplementation.

            I’m not vegan nor do I have a cat, but this debate interested me and I’ve read a couple literature reviews and big papers on the subject.

            Cats aren’t what they were 15’000 years ago. Domestication has turned them into an entirely different species.

            • vxx@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 month ago

              The thing I’m wondering whenever I see this discussion is:

              Should a vegan have a pet that kills for fun?

              Should they keep it inside all day to stop it from killing?

              I don’t get why a vegan would want to have a cat at all.

        • Taleya@aussie.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 month ago

          So you’re just fine with using and abusing an animal when it gets you what you want. Gotcha.

      • BananaCoffee@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 month ago

        My bias is minimal; I don’t practice veganism for myself of my pets.

        I think your opinion is completely ignorant. While there isn’t clear scientific evidence that conclude a vegan cat diet is better, there is isn’t clear scientific evidence to conclude it is inately worse. So, is your opinion based in reality or your intuition?

        “However, there is little evidence of adverse effects arising in dogs and cats on vegan diets.”

        Domínguez-Oliva, Adriana, et al. “The Impact of Vegan Diets on Indicators of Health in Dogs and Cats: A Systematic Review.” Veterinary Sciences, vol. 10, no. 1, Jan. 2023, p. NA. Gale Academic OneFile, dx.doi.org/10.3390/vetsci10010052. Accessed 29 Aug. 2024.

        Naturally, organizations such as the ASPCA tend toward caution and advise against vegan diets, but your statement reaches far beyond that point.

        Edit: I recognize my comment is a bit condescending. I do not mean to discourage discussion. I am genuinely curious and encourage your feedback. Please let me know if I’m missing something important here.

    • Taleya@aussie.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 month ago

      Cats are obligate carnivores. They have evolved to eat meat and only meat. A vegan diet can and will kill them.

      • BananaCoffee@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 month ago

        My bias is minimal; I don’t practice veganism for myself of my pets.

        I think your opinion is completely ignorant. While there isn’t clear scientific evidence that conclude a vegan cat diet is better, there is isn’t clear scientific evidence to conclude it is inately worse. So, is your opinion based in reality or your intuition?

        “However, there is little evidence of adverse effects arising in dogs and cats on vegan diets.”

        Domínguez-Oliva, Adriana, et al. “The Impact of Vegan Diets on Indicators of Health in Dogs and Cats: A Systematic Review.” Veterinary Sciences, vol. 10, no. 1, Jan. 2023, p. NA. Gale Academic OneFile, dx.doi.org/10.3390/vetsci10010052. Accessed 29 Aug. 2024.

        Naturally, organizations such as the ASPCA tend toward caution and advise against vegan diets, but your statement reaches far beyond that point.

        Edit: I recognize my comment is a bit condescending. I do not mean to discourage discussion. I am genuinely curious and encourage your feedback. Please let me know if I’m missing something important here.

          • BananaCoffee@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 month ago

            That article basically says what the study says. There is no real evidence that a vegan diet is healthier for cat; they point to owner bias as the cause of any perception that these studies show it is healthier.

            My point was that there is no evidence that a vegan diet is impossible for a cat. I wouldn’t try it because we don’t know it’s safe, but we also don’t know that it’s necessarily unsafe. I’m just bothered by people who jump to “vegan diet equals dead/tortured cat” because we don’t have any evidence that supports such a dramatic claim.

            • Taleya@aussie.zone
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 month ago

              Nah mate. You literally said " there is isn’t clear scientific evidence to conclude it is inately worse" and then tried to link to a faulty science study that got debunked.

              Vegan diets for cats are notoriously difficult due to the fact it runs completely counter to the diet a cat has evolved to process. If you’re so dedicated to the vegan ideal that you will attempt to force an obligate carnivore - key word obligate - to consume a diet completely contrary to its digestive system then why are you keeping a pet in the first place?

              • BananaCoffee@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                30 days ago

                Sorry for my imprecise response. The article you linked is talking about the “Vegan versus meat-based cat food…” study specifically. I was refering back to the study I referenced in a previous comment, “The Impact of Vegan Diets on Indicators of Health in Dogs and Cats: A Systematic Review.”. The systematic review is essentially a big picture analysis of 16 other studies, 6 specifically about cats. The “Vegan versus meat-based cat food…” study was not included.

                The systematic review says there is not enough evidence at this point to say whether a vegan diet is better or worse. I still stand behind “there is isn’t clear scientific evidence to conclude it is inately worse”.

                I’m not putting any pets on a vegan diet. First, I don’t personally follow any vegan practices even for myself. Secondly, it’s risky at this point, and I don’t have enough resources (time, money, attention to detail) to minimize those risks. I keep pets because animal shelters kill animals that they do not have the capacity to support. I can imagine others, even those who practice vegan lifestyles, would commonly cite a similar motive.

      • desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 month ago

        if cats are carnivores then why does mine eat corn every chance it gets, sometimes going for fresh corn over refrigerated steak?

        • Taleya@aussie.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 month ago

          Same reason people sometimes chew on paper.

          Actually if you’re american, corn is also in cat food because it’s freaking everywhere so cats can associate it with food