Is he telling us he considers himself low T? Because it looks like he’s believing something he saw on 4chan.
He’s so dense he doesn’t realize he’s the low T person being described, not the alpha male.
He claims he’s autistic and has a breeding fetish so doubtless he thinks he’s twice as capable of sorting out truthiness.
He’s posting 4chan screenshots now?
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
We post greentexts and laugh, he posts this and says “interesting observation”.
He retweeted it from a page. Be noted those are both very right wing and very gatekeepy about autism (if they’re really autistic and not just some weirdo claiming to be such).
Oh, so right-wing men with the right genes are the chad and everyone else is the soyjak.
Truly an “interesting observation,” thanks Elon.
And by “right genes” they mean “my Daddy is rich” of course.
“High T alpha males” oh good, they invented a new gender again and it sucks.
Bring out the scones and cucumber sandwiches, it’s high T!
I’m a high T male, which is why I started balding at 20 and my balls are the size of grapes
Balding is not related to testosterone, but rather Dihydrogentestosterone (commonly referred to as DHT). Although high testosterone levels often mean high DHT levels as well, it is possible to have high DHT whilst still having low testosterone levels.
The amount of androgen receptors in your scalp is also relevant, some people are just unlucky and have lots of androgen receptors in that area and start balding at a young age despite average DHT levels
I started balding at 18. Is this what being alpha is like?
like, super alpha this time. S rank Alpha, but with a T. Best alpha this time, we promise.
Meh, I’ll just wait for the full release. Less bugs that way.
How does it compare to sigma tho?
“Pele who can’t defend themselves physically”
Like Elon, who pulled out of a fight he tried to start with Zuck because he’d get his ass kicked?
I think his mom told him not to.
I find it unlikely he’d listen to a woman. Unless maybe she threatened to take away the power cord
I’m still hoping this happens and leads to a WWE style outcome.
Elon has a heart attack on the ring and falls on top of Zuck pinning and smothering him. Zuck is forced to tap and Elon is stretchered out the ring
high T alpha male
in other words, an asshole
we all saw how that went with Andrew Tate. His high testosterone levels give him his sound judgement skills and wisdom
Whenever you find yourself thinking about “how to get rid of the others”, you’ve already taken a wrong turn somewhere like this.
Although I think it’s fair to think about getting rid of those who want to get rid of others. Just make it a hard line: only those, no others.
Is this about getting rid of others somehow?
I guess they forgot that people like Martin Luther King Jr. got shot and killed for speaking out against these so called “high T, alpha males.”
Being proud of using intimidation tactics is fucking weird and pathetic. Blaming it on garbage pseudo science lowers the bar into degeneracy. THEN turning it into victim blaming…“you’re too weak to have anything worthwhile to contribute” is just… wow.
Evolutionary psychology was an interesting hypothesis, but it will never recover from these dipshits utilizing it as the loudest dog whistle in history…used to justify sexism and bigotry. I wish they’d all get in elons rocket and be the first people to land on the sun.
Powerful does not mean the same thing as “high T alpha male”.
Studies show that higher testosterone is associated with increased desire for fair competition and fair outcomes.
Anyone who puts a bullet into someone who challenges them is not a high status male. Power is not the same thing as status here.
What an interesting part of my comment to nitpick.
Either you have an issue with the terminology…in which case take the terminology issues to Elon. I sure as fuck didn’t invent the terms.
Or you buy into whatever garbage comes out his mouth. In which case don’t talk to me.
Why some of the smartest people can be so very stupid | Psyche Ideas
Basically many people who have the raw processing power or “IQ” to understand and analyse things can still lack certain “mental infrastructure” or education to understand things. This is especially atrocious for narrow minded people who actively rejected new information that doesn’t fit into their mental comfort zone. Musk is definitely one of them.
This is the reason why we can’t have nice things.
Musk is definitely one of them.
I’ve yet to see any evidence that Musk is particularly smart. What I’ve mostly seen is his ability to throw big parties and charm investors with bullshit business speak, while riding a wave of lucky bets and state subsidies to billionaire-hood.
No he’s not. But he’s also far from dumb.
‘On Stupidity’ (1937). At its heart was the idea that stupidity was not mere ‘dumbness’, not a brute lack of processing power. Dumbness, for Musil, was ‘straightforward’, indeed almost ‘honourable’. Stupidity was something very different and much more dangerous: dangerous precisely because some of the smartest people, the least dumb, were often the most stupid.
Musk is far from genius level but above average intelligence. He does have knowledge about rockets on a non-engineering level which you can see e.g. in this video talking about his starfactory (EDIT: Yes watching him in his element is kinda painful, knowing he’s a fascist)
But he and others like him focus their thinking narrow mindedly on the pursuit of profit. Every decision is based on gaining wealth. THAT is by far the bigger problem.
Besides the focus of all education towards profit seeking, technical nerds also seem to “want to” see other fields like sociology or politics or history in a simple and easy to explain way. So they seek principles or the most simplistic social theories that don’t explain anything real. Musk certainly falls into that.
Except now where he seems to go completely off the rails. Possibly a symptom of narcissism ever since he became unpopular, he’s doubling down to find new validation for his fragile ego. So yeah in that sense he is not the best example.
My point was not just about Musk but about the idea of “finding the smartest people to rule”. Because to anybody who is above intelligence that sounds smart except - stupidity can be more dangerous in intelligent people.
but above average intelligence
Maybe once. But that much Ketamine, plus his advanced age and excessive social media exposure, has degraded his ability to process information substantively.
He does have knowledge about rockets on a non-engineering level
He has prepared statements to read to a friendly interviewer. That’s PR, not intelligence.
Besides the focus of all education towards profit seeking, technical nerds also seem to “want to” see other fields like sociology or politics or history in a simple and easy to explain way.
Musk isn’t technical, he’s a finance bro. And while I agree there’s a strong “Education should be about making money” propaganda wave, I’ve noticed a lot of backtracking on this any time some group of labor activists starts passing around the financial reports of the publicly traded company to their coworkers. Then, all of a sudden, the finance bros become obsessed with sociology, politics, and history, at least in so far as they keep shouting and pointing to Venezuela any time someone at the firm mentions the company health care policy.
My point was not just about Musk but about the idea of “finding the smartest people to rule”. Because to anybody who is above intelligence that sounds smart except - stupidity can be more dangerous in intelligent people.
The fixation on “intelligence” as a discrete and quantifiable measure is what bothers me more than anything. I like to look at track records more than hypothetical quantifiers. Even if Elon were a “genius”, I won’t particularly appreciate the pro-eugenics track that brain power has sent him.
But I find it particularly galling when people conflate intelligence and success. So much of the modern economic system is about who you know rather than what you know. Elon Musk had access to enormous amounts of cheap credit, which he used to take a series of highly profitable gambles. He then leveraged his winnings to pull on more cheap credit.
Even setting aside whether that’s “smart” or “stupid”, I would say its a reflection of statistical probability. There are thousands of guys like Elon. Some make it, others don’t. But what defines Elon in the end is simply luck. Recognizing him as exceptionally fortunate, rather than exceptionally smart or savvy, means pealing off the layers of PR and revealing the human underneath.
Musk is definitely one of them.
Musk is a rich trust fund baby whose fortune started off the back of Apartheid. It’s not a shocker that he’s a mask-off racist. He’s done nothing to prove himself a genius, just a skilled grifter and financier.
I’d say it’s more people who are repeatedly told they are smart can be very stupid.
Many of then might even be “smart”, but the important part is having unwarranted confidence.
Complicating things is that society rewards confidence way more than it rewards competence. If I’m honest about a lack of competence in a certain area but someone else lies during the interview, good chance they are going to get the job over me.
The reality is that everyone can be very very stupid, and so long as each and every one of us is willing to accept and recognize our weakness we aren’t as likely to be assholes.
It’s also important to recognize that smart people can and do fool themselves into believing whatever’s most comfortable to themselves, unless they actively develop the emotional fortitude to face reality.
Yeah true. But like @[email protected] write it’s also that confident behavior is rewarded. And narrow minded focus on profit is more efficient than being focused on other things. And they need to compete with others on this “game” who pursue the calculus of power. So humility is a really hard sell to them. And media is not looking at politics or politicians in that way at all.
I sometimes feel this lack of emotional fortitude when thinking about reading a book, because books often break up your worldview and require you to adjust. There is a kind of intellectual pain of disillusionment.
And they need to compete with others on this “game” who pursue the calculus of power.
Such compulsions are a function of lacking the kind of emotional fortitude I’m referring to.
Spineless people of poor character “need” to pursue upward movement along the gradient of power.
The philosopher Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king. Said Aristippus, “If you learned to be subservient to the king you would not have to live on lentils.”
Said Diogenes, “If you learned to live on lentils, you would not have to be subservient to the king.”
The trouble is that they do need to compete with people who do pursue power (or wealth) relentlessly. So there are hard calculations. Those who don’t play don’t get power and won’t change anything. Those who do want to chance things and want other things than just power are at a (big) disadvantage. Even with the best of intention, the game plays you.
I believe the solution would be something like more rules or systems in place to focus on this kind of pursuit and call it out and dissuade it. Like develop social tools to change the rules of the game. No clue how though. Maybe AGI.
Once again, it comes down to material conditions.
Great article, thank you for sharing.
It’s funny how I’ve tried to bring some of that most blokey guys I have come across on mountaineering and such, and the vast majority weasal out of it
And the biggest badasses I know always drive the most basic cars lol
If you’re an actual car guy, you’re probably driving some absolute piece of shit that you’ve been continuously breathing life into for the last ten years.
The folks with the real high end luxury stuff just end up leaving their vehicles in the shop for half the year.
As the owner of a Jeep Wrangler, I feel both called out and proud…
“Critical thinking skills only count if they’re MY critical thinking skills” do they not see the irony?
There is a baseline assumption that “logical thinking” means everyone reaches the same conclusions.
It largely depends on what lense you parse your logic through, if its the lense of accumulating wealth and power you will almost always reach the same conclusion, the same if you use dialectical Materialism you will almost always reach yhe same conclusion. In the first instance you wont be able to understand how others can’t see the truths that are burning into your retinas, while in the latter truth you will understand exactly why they avoid the rubric of logic which brings makes their lifestyle unable to accept they are everythig wrong with the world and dragging us int a greenhouse heat death in the pursuit of profit.
the same if you use dialectical Materialism you will almost always reach yhe same conclusion
Material and historical conditions vary widely. Dialectical Materialism exists to synthesize solutions to a variety of contradictions. Stalin, Mao, and Tito reached some very different conclusions, despite growing up during the same international conflagration. Subsequent leftist revolutionaries - from Che to Chavez, had their own takes on the best path forward. A lot of leftist infighting can be attributed to these differences in baseline material condition.
A relatively wealthy leftist living in the imperial core is going to have this sense of living in a post-scarcity world with a relatively liberal social order, while a Philippian labor organizer is going to be struggling just to survive while the state’s brutal police forces actively hunt them. Chinese communists and Vietnamese communists have a very acrimonious history together and are easily pitted against one another by European industrialists. And coalition building between northern Indian communist farmers and the Kashmiri neighbors who they are in economic competition with is extremely difficult.
While you can always talk about the straight hyper-moral correct positions, they don’t always lend themselves to the physical labor involved in building local movements or the historical biases native to your region.
One big take away of dialectical materialism is that outcomes aren’t clear and conclusions aren’t certain. You always need to try things, anticipate failure, and move forward from there. You can’t trap yourself in rigid ideology or you’ll find that ideology used against you as soon as capitalist leadership can adopt that rhetoric.
Or if they’re like a few people I know…whose critical thinking skills are “parrot opinions from someone who I think is almost as smart as me (according to me) because I exclusively listen to them”
This is not real, right? RIGHT?
Wtf
He always finds new depths to sink to.
Just like the OceanGate Titan.
Sadly not since he hasn’t been crushed to death.
Imagine thinking that you’re tougher than context.
Good point.
I assume this is referring to William Reich the psychoanalyst. His books look interesting in the way all kooky psychoanalysis crankery does, but I don’t think he ever wrote about high T alpha males before dying in 1957.
He did write about about how fascists gain power by sexually repressing the population though. I’m sure Elon would hate his views on that.
Fascists gaining power by sexually repressing the population doesn’t sound kooky at all. It’s sounds like reality.
Why would this be in reference to Wilhelm Reich?
It is mocking Robert Reich.
Oh I just noticed the post actually says “the Reich effect”
“Reich effect” on google is wall to wall Nazi shit. “Reich effect psychology” leads to oldmates Wikipedia page.
Do you want ‘the handmaid’s tale’? Cause that is how… You do? Oh
