@AllNewTypeFace@just_kitten I think this is really only happening on the Albury line - other services have likely seen a decent increase in patronage, but it’s likely going to make rural services more viable in terms of numbers, and on the really popular routes hopefully a real increase in services. In 2019 I took rural PT to a bunch of different places in Victoria, East West and North from Melbourne, and only North was really even half way busy.
I’ve done both of them in the recent months and I found Albury to be busier than the Warrnambool line was. Warrnambool seemed packed, but really it was only the first car. I ended up moving seats because the other 3 or 4 cars were almost empty, it was only really the former first class car everyone really wanted to sit in. Albury I actually struggled to get a ticket on for a while and ended up sitting in a full of a seats with people on all sides of me (not necessarily an issue, just not something I had happen on the Warrnambool line in either direction)
@princessnorah largely the stations that are still technically metro, from memory (and that goes for Ballarat too) beyond that it seems to thin out a fair bit.
You’re not wrong, it does thin out and they really need to electrify to Melton & Wyndham Vale. Still, I don’t think there’s anywhere near enough evidence yet that there’s a problem caused by the fare drop. The article’s main conceit was a service that had its number of carriages cut back. That’s an operational problem caused by an entirely separate issue.
Put it this way. If the service was that empty before that losing half its carriages didn’t cause crowding, if everyone still got a seat, wouldn’t that be a problem? That means that it would have been under half capacity.
If the fare drop means more capacity is being used on services that used to be relatively empty, then I’d say it’s working successfully. The more people it encourages to take the train, that would have just been an empty seat before, the less it will cost the taxpayer. Let alone the environmental benefits. Even if you hate the train, it’ll take cars off the West Gate coming from Geelong & Ballarat.
Sorry, I don’t mean to @ you specifically I just can’t believe how much of a whinge this article is. Oh no! It’s cheaper! The riffraff can afford to travel and they’re taking all the seats! clutches pearls
You must be joking. Passenger volumes on the Ballarat line just keep increasing as they build more dormitory suburbs along the corridor. Morning peak trains are routinely at crush capacity before reaching Melton, making it very difficult to actually catch a train to work in Melbourne from Melton.
The lines are at capacity already, and they’ve cancelled the signaling upgrades for the western lines promised before the last election because they can’t afford it. They’ve also cancelled building additional track to Melton to increase capacity (yet another broken promise). They’re saying they’ll extend platforms to allow 9-car trains, but I doubt it will be enough.
@cuavas yeah, it’s pretty shit. I guess allowing more flexibility on when people start and finish work plus continuing work from home options might help a bit. But yeah, there needs to be serious investment to improve things.
@AllNewTypeFace @just_kitten I think this is really only happening on the Albury line - other services have likely seen a decent increase in patronage, but it’s likely going to make rural services more viable in terms of numbers, and on the really popular routes hopefully a real increase in services. In 2019 I took rural PT to a bunch of different places in Victoria, East West and North from Melbourne, and only North was really even half way busy.
Have you not been on the Geelong Line? It’s busier than the North by far.
I’ve heard the Warrnambool line has similar issues too (plus it overlaps with the Geelong line)
I wouldn’t call the Warrnambool service busy compared to Albury. But they do get delayed behind Geelong trains a lot.
I haven’t actually caught the Albury line in years so fair call!
I’ve done both of them in the recent months and I found Albury to be busier than the Warrnambool line was. Warrnambool seemed packed, but really it was only the first car. I ended up moving seats because the other 3 or 4 cars were almost empty, it was only really the former first class car everyone really wanted to sit in. Albury I actually struggled to get a ticket on for a while and ended up sitting in a full of a seats with people on all sides of me (not necessarily an issue, just not something I had happen on the Warrnambool line in either direction)
@princessnorah largely the stations that are still technically metro, from memory (and that goes for Ballarat too) beyond that it seems to thin out a fair bit.
You’re not wrong, it does thin out and they really need to electrify to Melton & Wyndham Vale. Still, I don’t think there’s anywhere near enough evidence yet that there’s a problem caused by the fare drop. The article’s main conceit was a service that had its number of carriages cut back. That’s an operational problem caused by an entirely separate issue.
Put it this way. If the service was that empty before that losing half its carriages didn’t cause crowding, if everyone still got a seat, wouldn’t that be a problem? That means that it would have been under half capacity.
If the fare drop means more capacity is being used on services that used to be relatively empty, then I’d say it’s working successfully. The more people it encourages to take the train, that would have just been an empty seat before, the less it will cost the taxpayer. Let alone the environmental benefits. Even if you hate the train, it’ll take cars off the West Gate coming from Geelong & Ballarat.
Sorry, I don’t mean to @ you specifically I just can’t believe how much of a whinge this article is. Oh no! It’s cheaper! The riffraff can afford to travel and they’re taking all the seats! clutches pearls
I don’t think it’s the fare drop, it’s all the dormitory suburbs they’ve built along the Geelong and Ballarat lines.
You must be joking. Passenger volumes on the Ballarat line just keep increasing as they build more dormitory suburbs along the corridor. Morning peak trains are routinely at crush capacity before reaching Melton, making it very difficult to actually catch a train to work in Melbourne from Melton.
@cuavas that sounds like they need to increase services at rush hour - I’ll admit I’ve only travelled that route off-peak.
The lines are at capacity already, and they’ve cancelled the signaling upgrades for the western lines promised before the last election because they can’t afford it. They’ve also cancelled building additional track to Melton to increase capacity (yet another broken promise). They’re saying they’ll extend platforms to allow 9-car trains, but I doubt it will be enough.
@cuavas yeah, it’s pretty shit. I guess allowing more flexibility on when people start and finish work plus continuing work from home options might help a bit. But yeah, there needs to be serious investment to improve things.