I think this is a culture clash between the privacy minded FOSS crowd that is naturally drawn to a project like Lemmy and the influx of average redditors thats just looking for a new home.
If you already have zero trust in these megacorporations you will naturally gravitate towards preemtive defederation.
The fediverse is entirely public. Every action you take (all posts, votes, favorites, etc) is public. Meta will scrape all the data whether Threads federates or not, there’s no privacy difference because there’s no privacy!
If you’re out there reading this as a reddit user looking for a new home, and you can still have trust in these megacorporations, idek what to say lmao
Accurate. I’ve known for years that Reddit was going to go this way. As soon as I heard of this place I was onboard.
I don’t think any sane reddit refugee would trust corporations after experiencing first-hand how that ends up lol
I happen to fall into the center of that venn diagram and honestly I feel like the “preemptively defederate!” crowd is acting before it’s even truly clear how to best act and everyone else who says “ehh let’s wait and see how this is going to go before we act” is just getting drowned out by the folks screaming about the end of the Fediverse.
I don’t trust Meta any further than I can throw their servers, but I find it hard to imagine there won’t be some middle ground that isn’t “BLOCK EVERYONE WHO SO MUCH AS TOUCHED A META PRODUCT ONCE” that ends up being the healthiest option
Edit to add: I’ve taken a similar approach to the instant defederating of Lemmy instances with unverified signups since the current phase of Lemmy is so fresh I have no reason to take a hardline stance before it’s clear exactly what the ramifications are. Obviously as an individual I also have the benefit of being able to just go with the flow that an instance admin might not but still
But seriously though, I don’t want my feed filled with Facebook posts.
Hey everybody come look at the off-putting nerd that scares away the hot girls at parties with his screeds
Why yes, I have been told by friends that I don’t need to respond to memes with an in depth analysis because its just a joke, how did you know?
I think the only people here not wanting to defederate from fb are trolls.
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll” - terrible take.
I’ve seen two reasons to defederate, one is a “lack of trust”, which is hilarious because you’re on an open platform and you really shouldn’t “trust” anyone here, and if you think defederation is going to keep corporate interests out of the fediverse as it grows… Lol
The other is an overwhelming change in content, which I think is the only fair reason to defederate.
Lack of trust has nothing to do with being an open platform. Or rather, its a very stupid argument to tell that there is no reason because its a open platform.
Everyone on activityhub is mostly non-profit and dont have the intention to be the number one and rich. Meta/Facebook on the other hand is trying to be number one and extinguish everything. Aka EEE
And your evidence they’re coming in to “extinguish” the “threat” of at most a few milion fediverse users is a failed Microsoft playbook from the 90s that didn’t even target open source software? Lol alright
The evidence is just not really given, its a conclusion because Facebook is a pure capitalistic company that loves to break laws for money. Why would they not wont to be the number one?
Well first of all, I don’t have to provide evidence to disprove a statement you made without evidence.
Second, my point is that they’re a capitalist company, that’s exactly why they want to be the only one with your data.
Are people really saying “the fediverse is doomed”?
Absolutely. You should see some of the handwringing going on over the idea that the mere existence of Threads is a scheme designed specifically and only to destroy the fediverse (as opposed to, y’know, their actual competition, Twitter). Way too many people throwing around the phrase Embrace, Extend, Exterminate without actually understanding what it means or how it might realistically apply to this situation.
Like, let’s be clear, Threads sucks, and there are plenty of good reasons to defederate with it. But it’s not a plot to destroy us. Zuck doesn’t even know we exist.
Isn’t it “embrace, extend, exterminate”?
Wait I thought it was “embrace, extend, extinguish”?
Yeah, lol. But tbh threads can get outta hand but if Lemmy is doomed the next thing will have risen up 3 years ago and will have a small but enthusiastic community waiting for us.
