The shooting occurred after Roberts, who had a .22 revolver with him, pointed his weapon at the two plainclothes officers
Combined with
An armed law enforcement agent in most countries of the EU can only draw its gun in very restrict conditions, mainly only if own or others life is in clear and immediate danger,
So cops can just roll up in plain clothes, not announce themselves, start assaulting people and when those people try to defend themsleves, the cops can just shoot them for “self-defense”?
Says you, filling in the blanks, under the assumption that someone would pull a gun on someone who states they’re law enforcement?
Two edged sword, friend.
The article states that the guy pointed a gun at the officers.
Even without them being officers, I am pretty sure pointing a gun at someone gives them the right to defend themselves. If not legal, at least moral.
Now what caused the events to take place could change the whole scenario either way. For all we know, the police confronted the brother for ritually sacrificing kittens to a Republican god or something, or the police were smuggling children and the brother was a witness.
Funny how people would argue on one side that pointing a gun at someone is perfectly legit self defense, but if it’s a cop that the individual says didn’t state they were a cop, suddenly it’s cool to arrest them.
Really trying hard to play both sides of coin to be right, aren’t ya.
The gymnastics are incredible. If pointing a gun isn’t self defense then there would be a lot of gun/parts manufacturers out of business as an enormous amount of arsenals would suddenly vanish when people were no longer able to justify owning most of their guns.
Are you for real? What are you gonna Butwhatabout me next over? Keep moving the goalposts.
EU police can operate very very differently because of the rarity of guns. It’s a completely reasonable assumption that virtually everyone you encounter doesn’t have a gun. In America it’s the complete opposite. And this situation is a a direct example, the dude was armed and brandished a gun.
Combined with
Tells a justification story
So cops can just roll up in plain clothes, not announce themselves, start assaulting people and when those people try to defend themsleves, the cops can just shoot them for “self-defense”?
I don’t know the full story, but I’m also not filling in blanks with my imagination.
With the information we have, this story could easily go either way.
Says you, filling in the blanks, under the assumption that someone would pull a gun on someone who states they’re law enforcement? Two edged sword, friend.
The article states that the guy pointed a gun at the officers.
Even without them being officers, I am pretty sure pointing a gun at someone gives them the right to defend themselves. If not legal, at least moral.
Now what caused the events to take place could change the whole scenario either way. For all we know, the police confronted the brother for ritually sacrificing kittens to a Republican god or something, or the police were smuggling children and the brother was a witness.
Funny how people would argue on one side that pointing a gun at someone is perfectly legit self defense, but if it’s a cop that the individual says didn’t state they were a cop, suddenly it’s cool to arrest them.
Really trying hard to play both sides of coin to be right, aren’t ya.
Pointing a gun at someone is not self defense. It’s intent to kill.
And I’m not playing both sides, I’m just not jumping to conclusions off a vague article
The gymnastics are incredible. If pointing a gun isn’t self defense then there would be a lot of gun/parts manufacturers out of business as an enormous amount of arsenals would suddenly vanish when people were no longer able to justify owning most of their guns.
Are you for real? What are you gonna Butwhatabout me next over? Keep moving the goalposts.
Eh, it always ends up with cliche copy/paste comments about whatabout/goalposts/mental gymnastics.
I guess y’all know how it all went down and can condemn the guilty party without any doubt.
EU police can operate very very differently because of the rarity of guns. It’s a completely reasonable assumption that virtually everyone you encounter doesn’t have a gun. In America it’s the complete opposite. And this situation is a a direct example, the dude was armed and brandished a gun.