Why YSK: The term “Genuine Leather” is a marketing term to sell the lowest quality leather possible.

When purchasing a leather product, look for full grain leather or top grain leather instead. These will provide a much higher quality cut of leather that will look and feel much better and last for much longer.

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    1 year ago

    You should also know that technically only the piece marked as genuine leather needs to actually be genuine leather. If you buy something made with multiple pieces, the rest could be made from any material so long as that one piece is genuine.

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        You know what’s cool about “natural flavors”? They just have to be found in nature to call them that. They can be synthesized in a lab and still be a “natural flavor.”

        P.S. don’t fall for the naturalistic fallacy. This comment is about tricky vocabulary used by the food industry. Whether or not a chemical is found in nature has nothing to do with whether it is good or bad for you. Arsenic is natural.

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          Yup! “All Natural” is just a marketing term, there’s no regulations behind it. USDA Organic is a real thing though, farms need to be organic for 7 years to be labeled that, if I recall correctly at least

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    Can somebody explain why leather is better? It’s it the smell? The feel? Tradition? I see it in car reviews where they complain about cloth.

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      It’s breathable but works in both warm and cold weather. This makes it ideal for spring and autumn. It’s easy to clean although it’s also hard to maintain (you have to oil it and protect it against rain). It lasts for very long if you care for it unlike fabric or fake leather, so a leather jacket can be worn for decades and still look and feel great.

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        Surely leather is skin and skin is very definitely non porous? Secrete oils from tiny glands? Yes. Let water through? Very much nope.

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      My best guess (not in the community or anything) is that leather does better at being durable—especially if you treat it well and condition it regularly?—than cloth and plastic-leather alternatives, which break down. I know leather is meant to be very durable and have good “properties,” but I can’t be specific.

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        I’ve had a leather belt for about 25 years now that I bought for like $10, wear it multiple times a week. In all those years I’ve gone through multiple other belts that haven’t lasted.

        Far as I see it, leather belts are the most economical and better for the environment than constantly manufacturing lesser lasting belts.

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          It’s been designed by time. Why manufacture something that has been provided? Seems like an unnecessary step, and a large reason for much of our problems. My s.o. works leather as a hobby, and it’s really cool. All the stuff she’s made me is better than anything I’ve had before.

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          I bought a leather belt in Prague as a nice souvenir. Stil wearing it almost daily over 20 years later. I replaced the stitching but the leather is still rock solid.

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      It is something people think they want because it is more expensive and in higher trim levels in cars. But when your car is parked in the hot sun the leather feels like it burns and in the winter is freezing to the touch. Leather also doesn’t breath so you end up sweating more and if your are not wearing long pants your leg will stick to the seat. Cloth is so much better functionally. Cloth also lasts longer than the fake leather they put in cars. Cloth won’t peel like the fake leather.

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        Any cloth i have seen in cars absorbs my swet, and is hard to clean up afterwards, unlike leather.

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      I like how leather feels like and the unique look when it’s aged or beaten up. Works great with wallets, belts, shoes… but not so much your couch, especially when it’s hot and humid.

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      @BigTrout75 many people are sensitive to dust. A car with a leather interior is easier to clean. The dust cannot stick in the seats.

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        Isn’t house dust mainly skin and leather also skin? Admittedly leather is dead skin that’s not being replaced any more, so perhaps without a process of replacement it also somehow lacks the shedding?

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      Mostly people like it because it’s expensive and it makes them feel rich. It is more durable than cloth but that hardly matters for most of the things it’s used for.

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        It is very useful for furniture and car seats and things like that. Waterproof and easy to maintain without absorbing too much scents or liquids from your body.

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        Hardly matters? Try having kids and a dog for 5 years with a cloth couch. The permanent stains and smell will be impossible to get out.

        Real leather? Will hold up to everything and go for 10 more years.

        Garbage leather? Will crack and tear the first time your dog gets on it.

        Leather has issues (Ethical issues with how we treat cows. Elitists issues putting leather on every surface of their car whether it needs it or not, etc). But quality leather matters, and does make a difference in durability.

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          I dunno, we have had a non leather sofa in my family home for like over 5 years and it’s fine. Nothing wrong with it to me.

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    If you think about it, it makes sense. All they are saying it’s that is actually real leather which is the least you could say about leather.

    To add to the naming fun: Corinthian Leather.

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    Not quite. The truth is, there is no universally recognized grades of leather. But when bragging about quality, genuine leather is the lowest bar they can go (other than bonded leather, which isn’t fully leather but just a veneer over fabric.

    Full grain or top grain is generally what you want.

    https://lifehacker.com/what-genuine-leather-really-means-1850309049

    Also, some are concerned about the use of an animal product. The vast majority of leather is a byproduct of the beef industry. It is skin that would otherwise go to waste. And it is also far more environmentally friendly a material than many alternatives, which are often made of plastics.

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      Yeah, honestly you should buy leather products based on brands than on description of “genuine” leather.

      And agree, real leather is a much better alternative to the ridiculous amount of micro-plastic synthetic leather generates, especially since it’ll last you decades if you maintain it well.

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      It’s the industry recapturing some of its costs by reducing waste. That’s still supporting the industry.

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    I thought “genuine” was the middle grade, with “bonded” being the lowest. Bob’s Furniture used to market “genuine bonded leather” sofas which I found both clever and infuriating.

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      Bonded leather is less than 20% real leather and made from scraps and fibers of genuine leather combined with binders. It’s generally not as durable as genuine leather.

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      It has its place.

      For example, leather in second hand products it’s great because it’s durable and often high quality. And, whatever you do, the animal has already been killed and paid for.

      I would also buy leather products if it’s for something that I intend to use for many years. It sort of offsets the environmental damage from buying multiple synthetic products.

      Then again, I’m not vegan.

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      In the right context, leather goods are much more durable and sustainable than synthetic alternatives. That said, leather is a co-product of the meat and dairy industry which is currently ridiculously unsustainable. Leather for leathers sake in designer goods and such is ridiculous.

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      Agreed. I don’t purchase leather anymore but when I did I still knew genuine leather is pretty much junk.

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      Wonder what the people who are downvoting this are thinking. Is it not murder, or is it only a restproduct of murder?

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        I think it’s because it’s irrelevant for someone who would be interested in leather (and this YSK). I’m sure they’re well aware of where leather comes from. I will say, though, that if cows are getting murdered for food, then they might as well use the whole animal instead of letting it go to waste.

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        I wonder what people who upvote this are thinking, obviously the point is moot unless you are also vegan. And who upvotes someone going “meat is murder” in the comment section.

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          I’m not vegan, but I do personally agree that it’s selfish and inhumane to eat meat and use leather - especially on an industrial scale. I eat meat, but I don’t have any delusions about where it comes from.

          Not meaning to argue, but just to say it’s not only vegans that think about this stuff. Also, even if it was, that doesn’t mean they’re wrong or moot.

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    In one of those 70s Fat Albert episodes, I think it was Rudy who one day showed up wearing a jacket of “genuine imitation leather”. That term has stuck with me for decades.

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    All I can say is that it’s still at least leather. Most things (e.x., belts) will say “manmade leather” or “manmade materials” and they are fake and break. The genuine leather belt I have has been working for 4 years without snapping.

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      Still better to get full grain leather. Guinie leather is to full grain leather as particle board is to solid wood.

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        So genuine leather is made of nutsacks, udders, and assholes pressed together with a veneer piece of taint stretched over it to make it look like full grain leather.

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    This really is a perfect replacement for reddit, we even have the same reposted fun facts