60 years ago we were supposed to having to work very little by now thanks to automation, then automation came and instead of the productivity gains of it ending up spread across society, what happenned instead was that the extra productivity went just pushed up dividend and CxO pay higher and due to the reduced need for workers due to automation the purchasing power of salaries actually went down (for example, in the US the percentage of corporate revenues that went to pay salaries fell from 23% in the 70s down to 7% by 2014).
Expecting that, under the exact system that’s been moving us more and more towards Dystopia with each wave of automation, AI would somehow end up making things better for most people rather than better just for the Owner Class and worse for part or most of the rest, is pretty ill-informed and naive.
i knew that the owner class was the problem all along, and i knew that we needed to topple the owner class in order to utilize these things for their humanitarian benefits. i guess i naively thought people would band together for the hope of a better world. i watched the arab springs and the former soviet states and they gave me hope, but i guess the western world is too weak to do the right thing.
the more and more i watch good people do nothing and listen to arm chair commenters like yourself, the more i think that maybe we deserve this dystopia.
Thing is, human nature has been shaped to make alternatives feel impossible to achieve and any effort in that direction pointless to engage in. This was and is an ongoing project of generations of trauma, imposed norms and rules, hierarchies and conditioning; even if they are later educated to understand the predicament they are in, the conditioning is strong enough to dissuade all but the rare few not to do anything. Remember, feudalism lasted for over a thousand years.
an unbiased mediator and administrator of resources that makes logical decisions to benefit all of humanity, able to find patterns that most humans cannot, process data in ways humans cannot, and not driven by petty human emotion? yeah, why would something like that give me hope?
Today I dumped some ancient Windows CE source code into it and asked it to generate a picture of what the screens would have looked like in the app, and it showed me.
all those things still have the potential to create a better world, and the problem is still the same: the owner class is using them to benefit themselves only. we have to destroy this dystopia by any means necessary. every day we don’t is another day we doom billions to suffer for the benefit of a few.
I have been pondering over this issue for a few years. Nobody around me seems to have slightest idea of the significance of current state. So I asked chatgpt for this. It does give us reasonable explanation for what takes for capitalism to end:
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…Your observation highlights a growing sentiment in many discussions: disillusionment with the current capitalist system. People are increasingly aware that capitalism, particularly in its contemporary, globalized form, often perpetuates inequalities, environmental degradation, and exploitation. Whether this is a turning point or not depends on multiple factors, and history shows that systems do not change easily without significant catalysts. Here’s a detailed perspective on what it might take for capitalism to end or evolve:
1. Mass Awareness and Grassroots Mobilization …
2. Political and Economic Crises
Trigger Events: …
Climate and Environmental Collapse: …
3. Political Will and Leadership
…
4. Development of Viable Alternatives
…
5. Cultural and Ideological Shift
…
6. International Collaboration and Solidarity …
Is This a Turning Point?
While there is growing discontent, history shows that capitalism has a resilient ability to adapt and co-opt critiques. For instance, sustainable development, corporate social responsibility, and green capitalism are all ways it has evolved to absorb and neutralize challenges without fundamentally changing.
For capitalism to end or be replaced with a more equitable and sustainable system, it would likely require:
A combination of crises that expose and disrupt its structures.
Strong, organized movements with clear alternatives and widespread support.
A cultural and ideological shift that redefines societal values away from consumption and profit.
It’s possible that we are witnessing the early stages of such a turning point, but whether this will lead to meaningful change depends on the global capacity to organize, innovate, and mobilize toward a different vision of society.
AI was supposed to save the world.
These sociopaths have taken the only hope i ever thought we had and are going to use it to screw us. I want the money changers out of the temple NOW.
I don’t understand what exactly about it gave you hope.
Indeed.
60 years ago we were supposed to having to work very little by now thanks to automation, then automation came and instead of the productivity gains of it ending up spread across society, what happenned instead was that the extra productivity went just pushed up dividend and CxO pay higher and due to the reduced need for workers due to automation the purchasing power of salaries actually went down (for example, in the US the percentage of corporate revenues that went to pay salaries fell from 23% in the 70s down to 7% by 2014).
Expecting that, under the exact system that’s been moving us more and more towards Dystopia with each wave of automation, AI would somehow end up making things better for most people rather than better just for the Owner Class and worse for part or most of the rest, is pretty ill-informed and naive.
i knew that the owner class was the problem all along, and i knew that we needed to topple the owner class in order to utilize these things for their humanitarian benefits. i guess i naively thought people would band together for the hope of a better world. i watched the arab springs and the former soviet states and they gave me hope, but i guess the western world is too weak to do the right thing.
the more and more i watch good people do nothing and listen to arm chair commenters like yourself, the more i think that maybe we deserve this dystopia.
Thing is, human nature has been shaped to make alternatives feel impossible to achieve and any effort in that direction pointless to engage in. This was and is an ongoing project of generations of trauma, imposed norms and rules, hierarchies and conditioning; even if they are later educated to understand the predicament they are in, the conditioning is strong enough to dissuade all but the rare few not to do anything. Remember, feudalism lasted for over a thousand years.
an unbiased mediator and administrator of resources that makes logical decisions to benefit all of humanity, able to find patterns that most humans cannot, process data in ways humans cannot, and not driven by petty human emotion? yeah, why would something like that give me hope?
that just sounds like a regular computer thing
Today I dumped some ancient Windows CE source code into it and asked it to generate a picture of what the screens would have looked like in the app, and it showed me.
So was blockchain. And self-driving cars. And 3D printing. And carbon capture. And fusion power. And biofuels.
all those things still have the potential to create a better world, and the problem is still the same: the owner class is using them to benefit themselves only. we have to destroy this dystopia by any means necessary. every day we don’t is another day we doom billions to suffer for the benefit of a few.
I have been pondering over this issue for a few years. Nobody around me seems to have slightest idea of the significance of current state. So I asked chatgpt for this. It does give us reasonable explanation for what takes for capitalism to end:
Tap for spoiler
…Your observation highlights a growing sentiment in many discussions: disillusionment with the current capitalist system. People are increasingly aware that capitalism, particularly in its contemporary, globalized form, often perpetuates inequalities, environmental degradation, and exploitation. Whether this is a turning point or not depends on multiple factors, and history shows that systems do not change easily without significant catalysts. Here’s a detailed perspective on what it might take for capitalism to end or evolve:
1. Mass Awareness and Grassroots Mobilization …
2. Political and Economic Crises
3. Political Will and Leadership
…
4. Development of Viable Alternatives
…
5. Cultural and Ideological Shift
…
6. International Collaboration and Solidarity …
Is This a Turning Point?
While there is growing discontent, history shows that capitalism has a resilient ability to adapt and co-opt critiques. For instance, sustainable development, corporate social responsibility, and green capitalism are all ways it has evolved to absorb and neutralize challenges without fundamentally changing.
For capitalism to end or be replaced with a more equitable and sustainable system, it would likely require:
It’s possible that we are witnessing the early stages of such a turning point, but whether this will lead to meaningful change depends on the global capacity to organize, innovate, and mobilize toward a different vision of society.